Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[nutmeg]

If there was an original SS pullover for the same price it would be gone

Pretty simple to understand


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Nothing to do with the discussion here .

[kammo man]

Yes it does


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[kammo man]

What’s funny is the belief that a pink is nothing like an original and the stamps are as fake as a 3 bob note

Please explain why no one has bought the pink on the stand for pea nuts ?


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[NZMark]

Right....
So now the argument against the stamps has degraded to the point where they have been recently faked and put on original items...to enhance the item's legitimacy(??) of having been seen on birch smocks and items also found with them...or am I completely missing the point?
The reason the smock on stand has not sold is simple, Owen - they are cheaper elsewhere.
Mark
NZ

[cossack1648]

I don't think those pants are anything new in this investigation. Compare the stamps with one posted in post #44 in this very thread.

Jack

[nutmeg]

I don't think those pants are anything new in this investigation. Compare the stamps with one posted in post #44 in this very thread.

Jack

Looks like the same pair (thanks for checking) , but it's new in the respect that it was not known that they also had the 1947 block stamp.

[NZMark]

This might help...
Mark

[nutmeg]

Thanks Mark, looks like the smock there also has a green inventory number like the trousers.

[phild]

As usual, nutmeg and NZMark stick straight to the facts and try to introduce new information (as warned) and the others make the most unfounded, opinionated and baseless claims....and then repeat them over and over through the thread until it gets shutdown.......seemingly with nutmeg as the blame!

Back in the 1970s I attended a show with a family friend who was a WWII vet, he was much younger then than I am now. He brought a cigar box full of various insignia and a chained SS dagger that he found in or near the SS barracks in Munich in April 1945. I now think that I can relate a little to how he felt when one of the "big" dealer/experts at the show told him his dagger was post war parts and that several of the badges and insignia were fake. We laughed on the way back in the car, but I will admit that there is a slight sting to being essentially called a liar.....and that is what has been going on with the subject of these stamps for about 15 years now. I say 15 years even though the stamps have really only been subject to posted photos and discussion for about 8-10 years, because earlier many said on this board that it was a lie that any of the smocks were even so marked..Once that fact blew up in their face they immediately started claiming that the stamps are fake (also a flat lie) and that good are being salted with fake stamps to make the smocks real (another lie).

I, like others, have opinions, but on this topic I also have a number of facts and that puts me in a bit of an advantageous position in regards to these stamps.

1. When the smocks were first seen at shows and dealers in West-Germany (and Austria, I saw them) in 1980/81 many (maybe most that I reacall) had these stamps...to include most everyone with the inked out number and "box" or this area was cut out or bleached out with an almost acid kind of bleach. Again, this is what I saw and handled in 1981 in Germany and in 1982 in Austria.
2. No one that I spoke with , including George Peterson (in Europe) at that time had a CLUE about any Soviet stamps or about the stamps in these smocks. It was almost 10 years later (at least eight minimum) before ANYONE in the west saw Soviet era property stamps in items.......even then say in the early 1990s these hurt value and really did NOTHING to boost the provonance of an item. Everyone now who has been collecting 20 or 25 years seems to think that these stamps when they appeared were an instant "hit", nothing is further from the truth......it took maybe unitl the late 1990s and 2000s for the stamps to be somewhat understood in most items by the majority of collectors.
3. Those who have carefully looked at all of this and who honestly believe that 4 stamp sets were designed and made up, with three colors of ink used and some hand numbering and then the numbers were hand defaced by no less than 4 different methods and all for the purpose to tell a story that was NEVER told when these were sold...that is THE STAMPS were never used to sell the story of the smocks and for that matter the story was never even a story.......are IDIOTS.

[Jeff V]

Well there you have it. Non believers are idiots. With that latest insult from Phil this one goes back to being closed.