Research Soviet Film Studio Markings with regards to Pink Smocks

[Marc Shaffer]

Oh, my bad x2... wrong Marc... pass me another beer...

[kammo man]

And all of this clearly shows that the Stinky Pinky is a completely different pattern.

Why has no other item being found in this pattern.


The original SS Oak is found all across the board.

[Jeff V]

And all of this clearly shows that the Stinky Pinky is a completely different pattern.

Why has no other item being found in this pattern.


The original SS Oak is found all across the board.

Easy, because it was not made during the war.

[90th Light]

An mid War oak zelt in used condition beside a stinky pinky

The pink pattern was based on this print
It’s got to be based on something to give it legs

The original German oak print has some shapes that the pink does not like this

Owen, you have failed to take into account that the development of Camo patterns by the Germans was ongoing throughout the war.

The SS "Dot" ("Peas 44") and "Leibermeister 45" patterns are absolute proof of this.

However, some early pioneers in the study of WW2 German camo like Borsarello were adamant about the development of other patterns also.

In his book, he referred to "Oak C" and a "rare 45 WH trial pattern"

Now it might simply be that Dot and Leibermeister superseded these new patterns of Oak and Splinter, or the need for simplified mass production in quantity took over in 1944.

But it does not mean that new pattern of Oak were not under way and even produced in limited amounts until being put on hold.

The "rare 45 WH trial pattern" pakas turned up as WW2 German army surplus uniforms, used in the film "Where Eagles Dare". Thus, why is the Pink/ Brick/ Birch not a lesser known development of the Oak pattern which turned up in the 1980's via Flochs hoard finds ?

Is the Pink/ Brick/ Birch pattern = "Oak C" ?

Chris

p.s. what other items have been found made in "rare 45 WH trial pattern" ? Same argument as those saying no to the Pink/ Brick/ Birch.


photo top "Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen SS" (Iso-Galago Pubulications 1986)
photo bottom from "Camouflage Uniforms of the Wehrmacht" (Iso-Galago Pubulications 1988)

[90th Light]

Any one got a helmet cover made from "rare 45 WH trial pattern" ?

As far as I am aware, this pattern has only turned up as reversible parka. The comparison with the Pink/ Brick/ Birch is uncanny to say the least

Chris

top photo from "Camouflage Uniforms of the Wehrmacht" (Iso-Galago Pubulications 1988)
bottom photo from "Camouflage Uniforms of the Wehrmacht" (Schiffer 2002)

[90th Light]

Same sort of differences are observed between patterns of this rare experimental Splinter when compared to regular known WH Splinter patterns. This is the type of difference Owen is alluding to with the Pink/ Brick/ Birch when he compares it with a regular known Oak,

Chris

photos from "Camouflage Uniforms of the Wehrmacht" (Schiffer 2002)

[90th Light]

"The Germans never did that during WW2"

"Yes they did"

Note the reference to the difference in background colour when compared to WH Splinter and WH Marsh.

I repeat, the comparison with the Pink/ Brick/ Birch and those who say it has to be wrong simply because it is different is uncanny,

Chris

photo top from "Camouflage Uniforms of the Wehrmacht" (Schiffer 2002)
photo bottom Owen (post number 1084)

[kammo man]

I have handled one of those parkas.
I know it well.



You are clutching at straws with your Stinky Pinky pattern.


Jeff

You are funny.
And correct.

[90th Light]

I made the hard to read text in the previous photos a bit flatter so it is easier to read.

Fundamentally the same yet so different but made before May 1945 and not observed on any other item of camo clothing known to date.

Any veteran brought back examples of the rare WH experimental Splinter in any collections today ?


Chris

[90th Light]

I have handled one of those parkas.
I know it well.

You are clutching at straws with your Stinky Pinky pattern.

And you are not clutching at straws ?

Then explain;

1/ why the WH experimental Splinter is so different from other know WH Splinters and Marsh patterns ? After all, WH camo production was even more standardised than SS camo ?

2/ why no Helmet covers in this rare WH camo ?

3/ why no veteran brought back examples in collections today ?

4/ why no other WH camo items like revisable trousers made from this pattern ?

5/ why were these conveniently found for the making of a movie in 1968 when there was a paying need for certain small quantity of such uniforms ? Who orchestrated this fraud as you call such finds ?

6/ why were these extremely rare WH camo parkas not selling for thousands of $'s or at least hundreds of $'s when they were sold to the movie company ? After all, they are rare as when compared to SS camo parkas selling for a heaps more at the time. May someone found them cheap in the east or CZ ? May be they had been stored unused at some film studio after the war end ?

This could go on and on. But you have handled the rare WH and are seemingly not clutching at straws so please answer 1/ to 6/ above ???

Chris

p.s. filming began January 1968 on the film "Where Eagles Dare". Your book warning about fakes (WH Splinter Parkas ?) came out in 1969. Just goes to show how everything out of the ordinary was not fake in the late 1960's and there was still much to learn.

[kammo man]

You are aware the Splinter jackets were made in England ?

[nutmeg]

No trousers for these either?

[90th Light]

You are aware the Splinter jackets were made in England ?

Yes I have heard a counter argument along those lines. So lets hear it, your view point on them plus the facts that back it up.

As I have said these "rare 45 WH trial pattern" are in the same position as the SS Pink/ Brick/ Birch.

Here is the thread on WAF about them; http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=eagles+dare

Lets hear it about the rare 45 WH trial pattern,

Chris

[kammo man]

The truth is stranger than fiction.


When I was shooting Fury in the UK I worked with a old Military Costume supervisor.
He began his career working at Angles the Military Costume rental house.

We were picking for the movie and I seen one of the parkas in their collection.
I got very excited when I seen it.
He laughed and told me the story of how Angles made them for the WED and he was the guy who tried the loose threads as part of his job.

Later we were at the Belting show picking and seen another for sale.
He again confirmed to me they were An Angles original creation.

The quality isn't as good as an original and they are quite thin.

When an old salt who was there tells you inside military costuming tales you listen.

[kammo man]

No trousers for these either?

No trousers were made.