SS Visor, eagle and TK check

[BobI]

Hi!
I have someone interested in this visor and he would like it posted here to verify its authenticity. I am confident it is real and am curious if you can tell us who made the skull and eagle.
Thanks!
Bob

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[olle]

insignias originals
eagle Assmann 155/42 round prongs
skull Assmann zinc

But they seem have been applied a treatment to appear more mint (repainted maybe)

[BobI]

Hi Olle!
Thank you, I am sure you are right and both are Assmann. However, neither has been cleaned and neither appears to be zinc. I think both are aluminum and have always been on this hat.
Best Wishes!
Bob

[SScollector]

The eagle is an original aluminum Zimmermann. It is a scarce variation with round soldered discs beneath the prongs, (just like the typical CupAl M1/52 skulls), and will be marked "RZM M1/72".

The skull however, is not original, imo.

Chris

[SScollector]

Here is an original early Assmann. Notice the sharp, consistent ring around the nose. On your example, the ring is missing at the bottom side of the nose. Also compare the sutures on the far right side of the skull. On the original, you can see tiny, but sharp dots that make the sutures. These dots that are found on all original Assmann skulls, are not clear on your example.
Lastly, your skull is made of the wrong material and this style Assmann skull reproduction has been shown here before on this forum in the past, (although most will not remember them).
Hope this help!

Chris

[BobI]

Hi Chris!
Well, you are someone I do trust the word of. Is there any chance a better picture would help, these were taken with a macro lens at a little distance. I know the hat is fine and has been seen by some of the "heavy hitters" but would love verification on that too.
Thank you, I will be back later.
Bob

[SScollector]

One more thing, look between the eyes on my skull, and you will find a triangle carved into the space connecting with the line of the sutures between the eyes. In my upcoming book, I refer to this feature as the "Assmann triangle" die characteristic.

Anyway, this feature is again, extremely faint on your cast skull, as are many other details.

Chris

[SScollector]

It is possible, but not likely that my opinion will have to change, imo. Of course, better photos would certainly help us to be absolutely, 100% certain. So, please feel free to post them.

Chris

[SScollector]

Sorry, I do not study the hats so I cannot help you with that. Hopefully others who have, will be able to give you a definite answer there.

Chris

[olle]

The eagle is an original aluminum Zimmermann. It is a scarce variation with round soldered discs beneath the prongs, (just like the typical CupAl M1/52 skulls), and will be marked "RZM M1/72".
Chris

Then the prongs would be flat
Not seen from inside the cap as are the prongs of the eagle?

One more thing, look between the eyes on my skull, and you will find a triangle carved into the space connecting with the line of the sutures between the eyes. In my upcoming book, I refer to this feature as the "Assmann triangle" die characteristic.
Chris

the "Asman triangle" has been concealed by the treatment I mentioned earlier
Another thing if it is not an Assmann zinc and outside an aluminum or a cast fake also the prongs would be flat not round ,again I wonder can not you see prongs from inside the cap?

Here is an original early Assmann. Notice the sharp, consistent ring around the nose. On your example, the ring is missing at the bottom side of the nose.
Chris

Not always hit in the right place of the hole and sometimes these were smaller or displaced, giving that aspect

Hi Chris!
Is there any chance a better picture would help, these were taken with a macro lens at a little distance. I know the hat is fine and has been seen by some of the "heavy hitters" but would love verification on that too.
Thank you, I will be back later.
Bob

Yes, some photos less artistic and more mundane but nearby would help

[SScollector]

Awaiting further pictures...

[BobI]

Hi!
Sorry for the delay and here are a few more pics. Differt setting to try and get better details.
Thanks!
Bob