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    #511
    A combi is indeed a very special piece that commands a price tag of $25,000.
    There are some specific secrets held within that a faker needs to copy - an encryption type code that I an NOT going to post openly.

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      #512
      Camo coming from Lorenzo - Helmet cover

      The "Da Kammo" Code....
      What are the Virtual Covers?

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        #513
        Originally posted by Massimo F. View Post
        The "Da Kammo" Code....
        What are the Virtual Covers?
        I believe he is referring to the SS Camo covers found on the Virtual Grenadier Site.

        A site worth visiting, a trusted site, a responsible site, a site worth buying from and selling on…IMHO!

        Vilja
        Last edited by Vilja; 04-27-2016, 11:42 AM. Reason: xx

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          #514
          In light of these Lorenzo covers, to what extent will these covers effect the value and demand for genuine waffen ss covers?

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            #515
            Originally posted by Vilja View Post
            I believe he is referring to the SS Camo covers found on the Virtual Grenadier Site.

            A site worth visiting, a trusted site, a responsible site, a site worth buying from and selling on…IMHO!

            Vilja


            I bought several items from VG's website and always been happy with them

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              #516
              Originally posted by ccnrecon View Post
              In light of these Lorenzo covers, to what extent will these covers effect the value and demand for genuine waffen ss covers?
              Probably the most serious effect is the number of young collectors who now - based on this fraud and deceit - will never risk collecting SS camouflage.

              Mike

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                #517
                Originally posted by ccnrecon View Post
                In light of these Lorenzo covers, to what extent will these covers effect the value and demand for genuine waffen ss covers?
                A good question I think.

                I suspect the effect of these contentious discussions and improved fakery will have a deleterious effect on buying and values, at least for now. Look at what has happened with numbered badges, camo helmets and other items that have been copied oh so well. But perhaps all of this will present an opportunity to reset values at more sensible levels.

                For the average collector who may not have expert knowledge in this area it will be necessary to carefully vet before buying. And for the seller it will be important to solicit expert opinions to avoid making mistakes before offering (and to avoid being accused of dishonesty).

                For the record, I loathe fakes and fakers but all of my dealings with Lorenzo have been correct and I don't recall being offered any covers. He was quite candid when showing me uniforms and clearly stated when examples were restored and so on.

                I make more than my share of mistakes already and the last thing I need is more 'help' in making them. So, it will be disappointing if it is proven that a formerly trusted person has been involved in deception as alleged.

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                  #518
                  After the posting of this thread and the information contained within, IMHO, SS camo helmets covers now have little to no value, ORIGINAL or FAKE. Please keep in mind, hard core collectors are only interested in historic accuracy and NOT monetary value. The search for the truth is what this is about!

                  Jack

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                    #519
                    Originally posted by Mike Davis View Post
                    A good question I think.

                    I suspect the effect of these contentious discussions and improved fakery will have a deleterious effect on buying and values, at least for now. Look at what has happened with numbered badges, camo helmets and other items that have been copied oh so well. But perhaps all of this will present an opportunity to reset values at more sensible levels.

                    For the average collector who may not have expert knowledge in this area it will be necessary to carefully vet before buying. And for the seller it will be important to solicit expert opinions to avoid making mistakes before offering (and to avoid being accused of dishonesty).

                    For the record, I loathe fakes and fakers but all of my dealings with Lorenzo have been correct and I don't recall being offered any covers. He was quite candid when showing me uniforms and clearly stated when examples were restored and so on.

                    I make more than my share of mistakes already and the last thing I need is more 'help' in making them. So, it will be disappointing if it is proven that a formerly trusted person has been involved in deception as alleged.
                    Mike
                    It has been PROVEN that the faker and con artist LORENZO peddles FAKE helmet covers.
                    WAKE UP MAN.
                    owen

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                      #520
                      Originally posted by Mike C View Post
                      Probably the most serious effect is the number of young collectors who now - based on this fraud and deceit - will never risk collecting SS camouflage.

                      Mike
                      I'm one of them, given the prices and the characters involved in business

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                        #521
                        Originally posted by kammo man View Post
                        Mike
                        It has been PROVEN that the faker and con artist LORENZO peddles FAKE helmet covers.
                        WAKE UP MAN.
                        owen
                        No, it has been shown that Lorenzo sold a few pieces of reproduction headgear / helmet covers in this thread - that's all. He is not the only dealer who did this during the period described. There is NO evidence he was the Grand Master behind a world-wide conspiracy to fraud - just that he sold or traded some covers later found to be reproduction.

                        It has NOT been proven that he made them (he's a faker) and then KNOWINGLY falsely represented them as real. I've asked for this evidence time and again in this thread - if you think it's in here, please post the # of the post(s).

                        In this thread, it's been described as a ballsy thing to "expose" this fraud and call out the faker. I see it as just the opposite. A coalition of collectors with an agenda attacked Lorenzo as a mastermind behind an elaborate scheme, which takes nothing but a desire to pick up your pitchfork and join the mob - especially when dissenters are shouted down as supporting the fakers industry.

                        It looks like Lorenzo sold some fakes - get in line. Look at the banned individuals here and other dealers who have fallen from grace on this forum, and now are regularly roasted as collector demons.

                        Can all the collectors shouting now to pin the responsibility for the entire fake SS camo enterprise on Lorenzo say that they have never bought something as original and untampered with, and then found out otherwise after selling it? Maybe decades later?

                        regards, Robert

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                          #522
                          Originally posted by RobertE View Post

                          It has NOT been proven that he made them (he's a faker) and then KNOWINGLY falsely represented them as real. I've asked for this evidence time and again in this thread - if you think it's in here, please post the # of the post(s).

                          In this thread, it's been described as a ballsy thing to "expose" this fraud and call out the faker. I see it as just the opposite. A coalition of collectors with an agenda attacked Lorenzo as a mastermind behind an elaborate scheme, which takes nothing but a desire to pick up your pitchfork and join the mob - especially when dissenters are shouted down as supporting the fakers industry.

                          regards, Robert

                          Robert,

                          what weighting do you put on what Fritz and Felix have posted/ exposed here ?

                          I would say that both dealers and collectors in Sweden are out of pocket quite a few thousand Euro after deals with someone they thought they could trust.

                          They are only the tip of an iceberg, how many more thousands of Euro are now lost for other dealers and collectors elsewhere in the world such as Bax the thread starter in Norway ?

                          I do not see them as part of a lynch mob. Instead they are victims coming forward and exposing what the cost is to them personally or the breach of trust they have endured in the matter.

                          Some have alluded to Lorenzo being the fall guy in all of this and that might indeed be the case. However, it begs these questions;

                          1/ What did he know when he represented the covers and caps in the deals like those in Sweden ?

                          2/ Who are the masterminds and actual fakers ?

                          3/ Also lets not leave Disco Partisan (if that is who he actually is ?) protest out of the mix, are we certain the covers/ caps are fake ?

                          Chris
                          Last edited by 90th Light; 04-28-2016, 04:33 AM.

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                            #523
                            It always a crossing of demand-offer.
                            There are items always overpriced like helmets an h covers... And waf is just a very and quite null portion of themarket. Facebook is full of ignorant ready to buy all... Before fb iI really can't realize how some fakes could fool someone. After I understand how much large is the market.
                            Prices are personal thing. Depend about your money, your sources and contacts, if you collect what you want and not only what you find and so on.
                            There are prices for mass market, prices of dealers, and prices of private market, prices for top collectors and prices for common collectors.
                            I saw top collectors buy privately these covers 4-4500 EURbefore and after this saga... of course if you think value it is 7000 i would expect a loss.
                            Same loss will have people who are buiyng ss helmets m40 over 5000... (And i see also 7000) when same where sold for 4000-4500 1,5 years ago and in full internet bubble.
                            M42... Worst!

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                              #524
                              Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                              No, it has been shown that Lorenzo sold a few pieces of reproduction headgear / helmet covers in this thread - that's all. He is not the only dealer who did this during the period described. There is NO evidence he was the Grand Master behind a world-wide conspiracy to fraud - just that he sold or traded some covers later found to be reproduction.

                              It has NOT been proven that he made them (he's a faker) and then KNOWINGLY falsely represented them as real. I've asked for this evidence time and again in this thread - if you think it's in here, please post the # of the post(s).

                              In this thread, it's been described as a ballsy thing to "expose" this fraud and call out the faker. I see it as just the opposite. A coalition of collectors with an agenda attacked Lorenzo as a mastermind behind an elaborate scheme, which takes nothing but a desire to pick up your pitchfork and join the mob - especially when dissenters are shouted down as supporting the fakers industry.

                              It looks like Lorenzo sold some fakes - get in line. Look at the banned individuals here and other dealers who have fallen from grace on this forum, and now are regularly roasted as collector demons.

                              Can all the collectors shouting now to pin the responsibility for the entire fake SS camo enterprise on Lorenzo say that they have never bought something as original and untampered with, and then found out otherwise after selling it? Maybe decades later?

                              regards, Robert
                              I totally agree.
                              Tom

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                                #525
                                Maybe I am too cynical these days, but tis thread will be soon forgotten, and then rediscovered in five years by a completely new set of collectors. Too bad for them.

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