Allgemeine SS tunic

[Hawesj]

Arran also thinks there may have been a cufftitle on this once upon a time....

[Donald Abenheim]

Arran also thinks there may have been a cufftitle on this once upon a time....

Thank you for the images. Colleague Coleman has distinct ideas as to restoration and there is much merit to his conservatism on this score. This tunic would have likely had a cuff title (Sturmband) with colored borders, and, if it was worn after late-1937/1938, a cuff title which most collectors believe in error to be an officer's cuff title, that is, one with alu. borders. Read Mollo's 1991 edition of volume 1 on the Allgemeine SS in the end notes, addenda, &c. on this point. Johann on the GDC site found a uniform not unlike this piece from Lindau/Bodensee, with early features, and with the later cuff title with alu. borders for the 1st Sturm. In my time, I have seen a # of these without cuff titles, which is possible (there are illustrated cases of this, especially in Ostmaerkische Standarten...) but one also tends to find them with the updated cuff titles, i.e.post 1937. In rare instances, can they be found with the colored banded (Sturmbann designation...) cuff titles and the Sturm #. From what I can see, this is an early-ish tunic, that is, of the era 1933-1936, which is a wild guess based on empirical observations. The tunics of the 1936 and later era had RZM tags and later very extensive VASS and RZM markings.

[Bob Coleman]

I may be mistaken, but it is my understanding that an individual who was attached to the staff of a Standarte would wear a blank cufftitle or possibly none at all.
Bob

[Donald Abenheim]

I may be mistaken, but it is my understanding that an individual who was attached to the staff of a Standarte would wear a blank cufftitle or possibly none at all.
Bob

I believe that you are right. One needs more photographic material on these kinds of things. Maybe colleague Lumsden might add a word. I have seen colored banded cuff titles devoid of # for the staff of the Sturmbanne. There is a file here with numerous images of black uniforms without cuff titles, especially for Austrian Sta. d. allgemeinen SS.

[Gary Wood]

There is a file here with numerous images of black uniforms without cuff titles, especially for Austrian Sta. d. allgemeinen SS.

Donald,
below is the thread i think you are talking about
cheers,
Gary

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=57440

[Donald Abenheim]

Ohne Aermelstreifen!

Donald,
below is the thread i think you are talking about
cheers,
Gary

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=57440

Thanks so much, indeed. A wonderful thread and interesting material. There is so much yet to learn. Maybe in the case of these Austrian units, the Standarten were constituted with a HQ cadre and the Stuerme were not yet up to strength, ergo the absence of a title. Or maybe it is (please do not be offended....I love Austria...it is my 2d home...) Austrian Schlamperei...? I guess one would have to know the exact dates of the photographs, as well as how the raising or regeneration of these units proceeded in the Ostmark circa mid-1938 and in the Sudetengaue late in the same year and into the next.... and elsewhere. Maybe someone has an answer on this score?