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    #16
    Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post
    The band material looks good.
    The machine embroidering looks good.
    So what if it has six strand edging?
    For those who claim this CT is a reproduction, how about some evidence?
    In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I believe it is an original.

    This was my thinking Gary .... I'm glad its not just me
    Because of the verdict so far it has let me rather confused
    Regards David

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      #17
      Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post
      The band material looks good.

      The machine embroidering looks good.

      So what if it has six strand edging?

      For those who claim this CT is a reproduction, how about some evidence?

      In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I believe it is an original.
      It does not work this way in this hobby. You don't have to prove something in question is fake because it is fake until proven otherwise (that is original) and in the absence of evidence of authenticity it will remain fake.

      Embroidery on the cuff that started this thread does not match 7-strand LAH titles. Remind you there are really good copies, just pay attention to what "old-timers" says:

      Originally posted by Gary Wood View Post

      There is much debate about 6 verses 7 strand borders on waffen-ss cuff titles and the field is a nightmare and for a novice who wants to buy a cuff title my advice would be buy one with 7 strand borders..

      ..the guy you are talking about was "ken lane", his titles were spot on but had 6 strand borders, and as these bands were made by a firm that did manufacture cloth items during the war so the quality of the embroidery was just as good as the wartime examples, the quality later was not as good as the early bands he had made, and i think these early bands from the 60's are not resurfacing with genuine age to them, also nothing would glow under UV light and nothing would melt,

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        #18
        Originally posted by TomH View Post
        This is not accurate, some original bands have 6 and even 5 strands.

        Tom
        Quite true, IMO believe most do have 7.

        Randy

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          #19
          Originally posted by Disco Partisan View Post
          It does not work this way in this hobby. You don't have to prove something in question is fake because it is fake until proven otherwise (that is original) and in the absence of evidence of authenticity it will remain fake.

          Embroidery on the cuff that started this thread does not match 7-strand LAH titles. Remind you there are really good copies, just pay attention to what "old-timers" says:
          I agree, well said.

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            #20
            Cuff Title

            I am curious about the "ghost (letter 'd')" that appears on the band itself and the other blue/white images on same. Do these images glow? Does the AH embroidery on the back glow as well?

            Charles Betz

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              #21
              The first thing that screams repro is that it is not centered in the band.
              Along with the lettering that runs into the outer strands.
              The other thing i would think is that the outer "bullion" bands are typical of officers cufftitles, and generally those have bullion, or silver string stitching, not white cotton string.
              Id pass, imo

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                #22
                The machine embroidery is poor compared to originals - start with the imperfect shape of the A, then look at the reverse pattern.....

                Here's what I would like to see in the LAH band of this type
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by STLMatt View Post
                  The first thing that screams repro is that it is not centered in the band.
                  Along with the lettering that runs into the outer strands.
                  The other thing i would think is that the outer "bullion" bands are typical of officers cufftitles, and generally those have bullion, or silver string stitching, not white cotton string.
                  Id pass, imo
                  There are original SS cuffs with lettering which is not centered and lettering that runs to outer strands - this cufftitle is fake for another reasons...

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                    #24
                    The line for the "L" coming out of the middle of "O"is another tell tale sign

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by TomH View Post
                      The machine embroidery is poor compared to originals - start with the imperfect shape of the A, then look at the reverse pattern.....

                      Here's what I would like to see in the LAH band of this type
                      Thats a nice original...

                      The first one posted does not fit into my collection...

                      //Felix

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                        #26
                        We are examining this CT through 21st century eyes. We ignore that these were mass produced items made by machine.

                        In its day, the soldier who applied it to his tunic did not examine it to see if it was centered or that the letters were well "letter perfect". Nobody who saw it on his uniform could have cared less.

                        Only us collectors 70+ years after the fact are inspecting these artifacts looking for every tiny flaw, to jump on it, to say "the Germans never did this."

                        Well, in my opinion they did.

                        They were not quite the "ubermenchen" they claimed to be.

                        This was probably "good enuf for gov't work."

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Gary Symonds View Post
                          We are examining this CT through 21st century eyes. We ignore that these were mass produced items made by machine.
                          In its day, the soldier who applied it to his tunic did not examine it to see if it was centered or that the letters were well "letter perfect". Nobody who saw it on his uniform could have cared less.
                          Only us collectors 70+ years after the fact are inspecting these artifacts looking for every tiny flaw, to jump on it, to say "the Germans never did this."
                          Well, in my opinion they did.
                          They were not quite the "ubermenchen" they claimed to be.
                          This was probably "good enuf for gov't work."
                          I have to agree Gary ... on this one
                          It wasn't a collectors item when first applied to the tunic.
                          I still believe this has a chance I personally don't have a problem with it
                          We are going to have to agree to disagree on this occasion
                          Regards David

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                            #28
                            I don't like the first one either.

                            I would expect an original to be like the one TomH posted.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by TomH View Post
                              This is not accurate, some original bands have 6 and even 5 strands.

                              Tom
                              For example Sepp Dietrich's !

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                                #30
                                Thanks for all the replies, Guys, I take all the comments onboard, although I know nothing about cuff titles, I do agree with Gary and David, that every piece of insignia produced may not have been identical in every way. Still I guess this example remains dubious at best. Thanks again for looking and for all the comments.

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