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    #31
    Just some observations.
    Looking at the 360 and M1/17 side by side, I see some noticeable differences.
    The right hand (looking at the screen) eye socket on the 360 is larger.
    The chin on the M1/17 is longer. (distance from the teeth to the bottom of the chin)

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      #32
      Originally posted by Martin Stiles View Post
      I repeat post 21.
      If a mould was taken from an original skull and a die then made from it, the flaws would also be transferred.



      Martin
      Can that be done?

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        #33
        I have never seen any evidence that this has ever been done.
        It's a long shot, IMO. Even if this could be done, the molding process would still show evidence on the one that was reproduced, even if it were die struck
        because the dies would not be perfect if they were made via casting techniques. Anytime that a mold is used, there will be plenty of flaws and differences on the product. I have not seen these types of differences between these skulls and I am strictly going by what I have observed when I compared the two skull types, side by side. To my eye, they were both produced by the same front die like I stated earlier. Of course, each strike can vary a tad, (even when comparing two original skulls of the same exact type, there will be slight differences, especially around the eyes and nose areas), but we know what is proper or not proper on other skull types, simply by studying many examples over time.

        Furthermore, these skulls pop up quite frequently on many websites and at military shows, not to mention that the same thing occurs with the matching eagles. In fact, we could have had this exact same debate over the M1/17 marked eagles, which as you can see, are also like the 360 marked eagles.

        Anyway, I think that it is time for me to bow out of this debate and leave it to the rest of you, as I am getting a bit bored with this topic.
        I have shared my thoughts on this matter, so it is up to each of you, as to whether or not you believe in these skulls. Good luck to you all,

        Chris
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          #34
          WOW
          A fake on Martis site !
          Never thought its possible !

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            #35
            Originally posted by Urka View Post
            WOW
            A fake on Martis site !
            Never thought its possible !
            Not fair to blame him rather blame dealers that sell fakes on purpose.

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              #36
              It seems it a pretty debatable item, I don't think Martin would sell anything he does not believe to be real.
              he is one of the honest dealers out there like said the ones who sell full knowing there fake are the bad guys.

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                #37
                Well, no one is fool prof and no one knows all and each and all can make mistakes...

                The matter is how the situation is handled after that...

                Its also very important if it was a mistake by lack of knowledge, stress or human factor or on the other side what can be considered "bluff and take a chance no one calls"... or fraud made by intent...

                Cheers
                //Felix

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                  #38
                  Original..

                  I think it's a fine original. We are looking for ghosts IMO.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by blamers View Post
                    I think it's a fine original. We are looking for ghosts IMO.

                    Is that your expert opinion then ?

                    Ian

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by blamers View Post
                      We are looking for ghosts IMO.
                      Yes what does that mean exactly ...
                      Regards David

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                        #41
                        Imo

                        In my opinion ,.... Yes. I think it's original. Without saying I am an expert. Who is ??



                        Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post
                        Is that your expert opinion then ?

                        Ian

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Stossgruppe3 View Post
                          Yes what does that mean exactly ...
                          Regards David
                          I think he means if you look hard enough at something you can find whatever you want....not unlike the way a human mind will always find faces and skulls in pictures of nothing but dots that have no pattern.
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                          As for my opinion, I remain neutral since I spend the majority of my time focused upon the dienstrock and am not too familiar with said variant. I only commented to try in explain what he meant since you had asked for clarification.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Martin Stiles View Post
                            Thanks Chris, interesting please point out the "die flaws and charactistics" for me, clealy I am missing something, please make it clearer for an old timer like me, if it was the same front die why is the left eye (from the viewers perspective) such a different shape?
                            Also the right hand crossbones are very much clearer on the 17 skull? In fact the more I look the more I see differences?
                            Cheers, Martin
                            Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                            All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                              Just some observations.
                              Looking at the 360 and M1/17 side by side, I see some noticeable differences.
                              The right hand (looking at the screen) eye socket on the 360 is larger.
                              The chin on the M1/17 is longer. (distance from the teeth to the bottom of the chin)
                              Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                              All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Martin Stiles View Post
                                If a mould was taken from an original skull and a die then made from it, the flaws would also be transferred.
                                Jean Pierre Redeuilh
                                All my collection of SS Buckles is for sale. Contact jpredeu@rogers.com for inquiries

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