SS - Schule Braunschweig Tunic

[wewelsburg]

61 was a legitimate maker of SS armbands. I once had a 61/37 that was a direct vet purchase.

YES but OVER 35 NEVER.Side by Side 61/35 is correct NEVER 61 on TOP of 35 though.ALWAYS bad.38/38 is also a known repro tag look out for those too.But some of those MAY be legit.while 61 over 35 is always bad.UNLESS teh numbers are side by side.If someone disagrees SHOW me a real one.Ive asked MANY times there are none.

[Gary Symonds]

Chris the two needles appear to be castings.

Please show us the reverse, to prove there is no casting seam.

[tobau]

Here is the Label,directy Veteran obtained Armband.

[Ian Hulley]

Here is the Label,directy Veteran obtained Armband.

With respect that is a 'stickerei' St label not as per the subject label.

Ian

[Robert H]

Ian, I don't like the label either. Maybe I am wrong.

I am always amazed someone can judge clear a tunic like this based from photos.
Anyone noted how the collar piping is attached to the collar?

Everybody's own view but I would pay the tunic and insignias. Such a high rank should be possible even get researched at the JSB as he would be stationed there.

[Ian Hulley]

Ian, I don't like the label either. Maybe I am wrong.

Good morning Robert, when I first assessed the tunic I posted what I thought out loud ... The cufftitle band weave was good (I generally do not comment on hand embroidered CTs any more) the embroidery of the 'B' on the tab was unlike ones I'd seen before, the Winkel is A-typical and the 61/35 and RF-SS labels were one-looker Reddick fakes in my opinion. I was extremely surprised to be told otherwise BUT I do not have anywhere near the same level of experience of many on here and was pleased (for the owner) to be told I was wrong.

Cheers, Ian.

[EvaB1945]

So I went back and had another look....

So I went back and had another look....

The chevron looks a bit crooked, my understanding is that the 'arms' of the V were straight, that one doesnt look straight.

In my limited knowledge of collar tabs, They look to be original, but then again people are getting more better at fakes these days.

[Bob Hritz]

The armband is correct and both the RFSS and 61/35 bevo labels are original. Reddick copies have different fonts and mistakes.

Bob Hritz

[Gary Symonds]

Chris the two needles appear to be castings.

Please show us the reverse, to prove there is no casting seam.

Last May, I posted pictures of a SS Adjutant's Aguillette, that I purchased at the Pomona Show from WAF member Bob Hritz.

The aguillette was rejected as "one of the many fakes" because the membership saw that the needles had casting lines.

I posted a thread from the late John Pepara, who had posted a picture of a SS tuxedo that he owned, that had the same casting line on the needles. I pointed out that this tux was sold by John's estate to Hermann Historica, and was sold for 16000 euros. No real comment from the membership as to this fact.

The main objection to the SS aguillette was the casting seam.

Since then, I have seen pictures of the Heer aguillette, both in person, and in Saris' book, and it appears that the needles of the Heer example also have casting lines. This may have been the way that aguillete needles were in fact made.

In the present thread re the tunic, all sorts of observations and comments have been made about the uniform and its insignia, but the aguillette which is a central part of the uniform, has been ignored. Why this oversight on the members part is puzzling.

I have requested that the owner of this tunic Christoper G post pictures of the reverse of his Heer needles, to see if in fact these are indeed castings. To date he has not posted this evidence. I am sure there is a good reason for this absence of evidence. But that reason remains unknown.

If they are a cast item, this should prove that period construction of aguillette needles were cast.

If there is no casting seem, then I stand corrected.

How about some pictures of the reverse of the needles on the Heer aguillette Chris?

It is what it is.

[Robert H]

The good Aguilettes, I bought also once a set but returned it as I inspected it well at home after one show, was not the Pomona but SOS or MAX a decade ago. And Gary it was the same seller.
You can dig deep and maybe you get enlighten.

[Bob Hritz]

Yes, it was the same piece which was sold, at Pomona, as a copy. The full story was provided to Gary that the piece had been rejected, by Robert H., as a copy some years ago.

Bob Hritz

[DonC]

I see nothing wrong with the aiguillettes posted. They look to be original Heer.

Don

[Robert H]

Bin, you kept the Aguilette close to a decade?
I thought you got another person after our phone call 10 years ago who wanted the Aguilette.

For my observations the source of those Aguilettes goes to a copy maker in France.
I see them quite often at the EU shows offered.

[Bob Hritz]

Yes, Robert, I kept it. I had another interested party, about 10 years ago, but I advised him you had returned it and that you felt it was a reproduction or altered piece. He decided not to proceed with the purchase. I sold it at Pomoma for far less than I paid for it with complete information about the prior history.

Bob Hritz

[Gary Symonds]

I would agree that the Heer aguillette is an original. No questions about that.

However, the issue of the construction of the needles, whether die struck or a casting still has not been determined.

If Mr. Christopher G woud show us the reverse of the Heer needles, this would assist the membership.

If these are original, which they appear to be, there can be no downside by the owner in assisting with this question,