I take it this fellow was a guest of the Soviets for a little while? If so, how did he manage to hang on to the ring in the first place?
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Astute observation Brian !. I guess it must have been like the watch story in the movie "Pulp Fiction" thus explains the abnormal wear. Mystery solved.Originally posted by Brian George View PostComment
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The ring in the thread is possibly different than the ring in the photo with Iron Cross. The OUTSIDE BORDER LINE on the Sig-Rune triangle near the top is clearly visible on the ring in the photo. This diagonal line is missing on the ring itself. This is the area I asked about earlier, when I asked, 'Where did it go?"
NOW - here's the weird part:
A. The patina was added post-war - guaranteed!!
B. When I examine the ring from both the TOP and BOTTOM views, it looks like an original ring, the way the skull is attached, and how it curves. Score one for the ring.
C. The discoloration behind the skull isn't convincing as a joiner line, but I looked really closely, and noticed what looks like tiny bubbles where the joiner line possibly could be. Maybe there IS one. Score another point...maybe.
D. There's a good chance that the obvious ADDED patina is making the ring difficult to assess.
E. Is this the same ring as in the photo? It looks like it, until you see that the border line is there in the photo, and missing on the ring. (PHOTO: Outside border line at top of triangle on left. RING: No such line.
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Hi,
the problem is that we don't know when the picture was taken, and if the RK/TR were taken by the Soviet Forces (if the guy was POW).
Having lost the originals, it is still possible that the veteran bought copies (that were "pimped" for him) of both RK/TR after the war, and the family don't know that.
The two rings are not the same, but this is maybe due to more wear on the current ring ?
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Could be an Erika Goebler rendition. She worked for Gahr. Made the Piekel nonsense moot. I agree with all of the scrutiny. Perhaps it is something Don Boyle or in my estimation Gaspare need to see in hand. Otherwise the family should keep it and never sell it. As a tribute to someone that survived the Russians and afforded them the capacity to endure. If they need a few grand that MUCH ??Comment
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First I've heard of Erika goebler...a gahr master jeweler? Please tell me more about this, i had no idea that specific rings could be traced to anyone beyond Otto and karolina gahr company.Comment
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I almost wonder whether the wear on this was an attempt to match the ring in the photo.Comment
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1st lah officer ring, given on AH bday 1937. Does a piece of history get any better than that?Originally posted by sgstandard View Post
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At first, I thought the ring was good. Then...I thought it was bad. NOW....I'm not sure what to think. When you look at the ring from those "ABOVE" and "BELOW" photos, it looks like an ORIGINAL RING. The skull attachment looks VERY WELL done. And the area where there's supposed to be a joiner-line looks like it has some tiny bubbles, suggesting the joiner-line might actually be there. But the area around that Sig-Rune triangle still looks odd to me. I hate like hell being wishy-washy on an assessment, but I'm not afraid to change my mind - it's all about getting to the truth. But one thing you can take to the bank - the patina was added later, as evidenced by the interior scratches having patina in them. Besides, Patina on a worn ring is not BLACK......it's grey. One other thing...the teeth don't look right to me - never seen an early ring with sculpted teeth. Usually, they're just straight lines. This ring needs to be handled in person, IMO, to be sure. There are things I like about it, and things I don't like about it.Comment
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Hi Gents,
after all that what happened I am somehow glad I didn`t buy the ring. Yes I was a little bit angry how the family does the "thanks for your help" things and went to Klaus.
There is always a reason in life why some things don`t work out and later you are happy about it.
Seems the ring is "burned" now in collectors world.
Good luck for you Klaus, I will watch it from the "second line".
Thanks to all guys who helped here and gave information.
Regards from germany
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Great attitude - I felt really bad about not being able to discern if it is original. Sometimes a lot of money is spent, based on the opinions espoused on this forum, especially TK Rings. I take that responsibility very seriously, and do my best to give good advice. I absolutely GUARANTEE you the ring had the black patina added post-war. I ended up being about 50/50 good or bad. But it's NOT a one-looker, and that's what you want to find. Better safe, than sorry. If you buy a TK ring from Andy at Militarynut, it'll already be guaranteed by Don Boyle.
PS: Another early ring just popped up on this forum. Look at that one - no chance, IMO. Best of luck!!Comment
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Hi,
now the question is to know :
- if the "family" is really the family of the guy
- if the family was unaware that the ring was fake (bought by the veteran after the war)
- if the family tried to "pimp" the lot with a fake ring and tried to propose it to Klaus after proposing it to Emeredato because people were starting to have some doubts about it
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Excellent remarks French. Even beyond a reasonable doubt no lest. Nothing like a good commie is there
. Don't these people ever give up?
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