Dutch Landwacht related topic

[NickG]

Found this interesting discussion on a Dutch web site regarding the Dutch NSB "WA" (stormtroopers) helmet with the Wolfhook decals.
Sometimes also identified as the helmet of Mussert's body guard, but certainly not Dutch NSKK. (something I believed because of Angolia's book...)

Link with explanation here for those who understand Dutch:

https://wo2forum.nl/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=34454

According to Angolia in his Foreign Legions book (Dutch volume) the helmet was identified as Dutch NSKK use... as the troops in the funeral procession were identified as mixed NSB-WA and Dutch NSKK...(because of the black pants and NSKK collar tabs...)

Well it turns out that is a clear mistake. These are not Dutch NSKK...
They are Dutch Landwacht members who wore field gray with black pants and the collar patches are NOT the NSKK eagle but instead the SS related Landwacht flaming grenade collar patch!

The image shows the NSB/WA + Landwacht members during a funeral procession on June 16 1944, the deceased being a Landwacht District commander who was killed by the resistance in the summer of 1944.

Interesting revelation and an addendum is needed for the Angolia book!

[NickG]

Close up of helmet decals (credit goes to as tagged)
Clearly not NSKK!
Dutch Landwacht with metal flame collar patch! Credit goes to GiJsen as tagged!

[NickG]

The helmet in question (from Baer) has nothing to do with Dutch NSKK use which is a big revelation to me...
and my helmet which I had displayed with a (NSKK related) Speer uniform...WRONG!

[NickG]

Helmet would be better displayed with my Dutch Landwacht uniform I now find out!!
(hence putting this topic in the SS section (and not the helmet section)

Of course the NSKK pattern helmet (eagle decal) and the Landwacht pattern helmet (lion decal + bomb decal) had their own unique styles...
but this NSB helmet would work with a Landwacht impression as the period image shows (a funeral procession or guard duty impression for sure).

Dutch NSKK helmet theory (wolf hook) debunked! Hope this was helpful. Do not always believe the books!

[Jan Holland]

Thanks Nick for the translation.


Dutch NSKK

[ton g]

Hi Nick,

close observation of the decals on the helmets in the "funeralphote" is clearly a different variation of the decal on your helmet.
I think the Wolfhook on your helmet is much broader than the ones in the picture, or am I wrong??

grss

[NickG]

Jan,
Yes the Dutch in the NSKK - LW (Supporting Lufwaffe) of course were kitted out with LW gear, to include standards LW helmets...Very well documented and the majority served in the detachment

The funeral procession image was misidentified by Angolia as Dutch NSKK serving in NSKK Staffel WBN (Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Netherlands) as in that unit they would not have worn LW kit, like fliegerblouse uniforms or helmets...
but in both scenarios they wore NSKK helmets or helmets from the branch that they were assigned to supporting (LW or Heer).

Ton,
The use of the Wolfhook helmet by Landwacht does indeed shows a narrower design in the period pictures... So just another variant perhaps? No doubt same purpose, same identifier, same branch
= NSB-WA and reissued to Landwacht. (Landwacht also had its own unique Lion+Bomb decals of course)

All I was trying to do with this thread is debunk the notion (erroneous printed reference By Angolia) that these helmets were used by NSKK related Dutchmen....
That is not the case...These troops were mis-identified in that volume of Foreign Legions of the TR...the main theme of this thread...proving Landwacht use did happen, a revelation to me
and exiting since I own a Landwacht (restored) uniform. No dounbt these helmets never made it in Landstorm Nederland...strictly SS or no decals!


This reference (narrower Wolfhook shown?) does claim these helmets were used by the NSKK in Holland...(because of the misidentified Angolia funeral image I wonder?)

http://www.nyc-techwriters.com/milit...ch_helmets.htm

[NickG]

Hi Nick,

close observation of the decals on the helmets in the "funeralphote" is clearly a different variation of the decal on your helmet.
I think the Wolfhook on your helmet is much broader than the ones in the picture, or am I wrong??

grss

Here's a thread on these...


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=motor+wa

[Askold]

Thank guys you for posting such interesting photos - you always learn something new!

P.S. Nick - that helmet is a stunner, congratulations

[wolfslair44]

Nick... thanks for posting this. It's an interesting observation and the updated knowledge is good for the collecting community too.

[NickG]

Nick... thanks for posting this. It's an interesting observation and the updated knowledge is good for the collecting community too.

Thamks ghuys! Yeah that Dutch NSKK helmet identification missed the mark big time (in the Bender publication reference literature!)

Btw here is what a Dutch (SS) Landstorm stahlhelm should look like (not mine...), but at least I now know that I can display my Wolfshook helmet with my LS tunic too!

[Jan Holland]

Nick, it's not just the Dutch NSKK helmet.
There are many more items Dutch that identification missed.

[Tommes]

He Nick, the helmet with de lion and the flaming bomb where also used by dutch police units "staatspolitie"

From the 8:50 mark you can see the helmets beeing worn by some police troops in training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7zAPZmhmIU

[NickG]

He Nick, the helmet with de lion and the flaming bomb where also used by dutch police units "staatspolitie"

OK makes sense! State Police it is (with police bomb emblem!)