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    #16
    Hi Bill,

    IMO there is nothing wrong with the Dachau SS Officer collar tab.......to me is original. I posted one in this forum a while back for comments and was accepted as original.


    Cheers
    Rene Chavez
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      #17
      Rene,
      I agree with you regarding the runic tab, I like it, but why do you refer to it as a Dachau officer's tab? I am less comfortable with the rank tab and would probably pass if it was offered to me...John

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        #18
        SS collar tabs

        Hello,

        I don't doubt that there are doubts about the runic as I have heard from several. Do you need any more photos to better decide? Can you tell me exactly what is wrong with the runic tab as I know nothing....

        Thanks.

        Bill
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          #19
          Originally posted by all1knew
          Hello,

          I don't doubt that there are doubts about the runic as I have heard from several. Do you need any more photos to better decide? Can you tell me exactly what is wrong with the runic tab as I know nothing....
          Thanks.
          Bill
          Bill,
          Don't you mean the rank side? There is nothing wrong with the runic...John

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            #20
            Yes

            .................Yes

            I meant the rank tab.
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              #21
              Originally posted by Sonny
              Hi Bill, I'm almost positive that these tabs were the subject of a thread before. I'm sorry but I just can't find it. Hopefully Gary might remember. Sonny
              Sonny
              yes it has been brought up a couple of time now, i have given William my opinion on the patches via a PM and on the forum sometime ago, the main issue here is the rank patch
              cheers,
              Gary

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                #22
                Opinions

                Hello,

                Yes, we are just looking at the rank patch. These tabs came together as a set and I can still return them. I would like to know if you think that they are a matched pair or at least if the rank tab is a reproduction. I would also love to know why you believe this as I don't know how to exactly tell (meaning, to my eyes they are made of the same basic materials)

                Please let me know either way. Thank you for your time in a advance.

                Bill
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                  #23
                  Bill,
                  As Sonny and Gary mentioned before, that these was a previous discussion regarding these tabs and if I remember correctly there was a different runic tab with the rank at one time...They are definitely not a truly 'matched' set, just look at that different backing material (cardboard/paper? on rank), the way extra material was carelessly folded on the reverse and the different method for attaching the piping - not the same manufacturer. That said, IMO this is not really the issue as the rank tab was often replaced when the soldier was promoted, thus coming from a different source. You can also find original sets that were unissued where the runic tab and rank tab are still tied together by one thread, yet they are both different construction, like I said not a big deal.
                  The issue is the rank tab itself...First, the piping appears to be two strands rather than three, the backing material (cardboard/paper?) is very strange, I don't believe the litzen is original, and the pips are the side prongs which were used during the war (but are also found on most fakes today), and given the combination of all these issues, I would not be comfortable owning the rank tab...John

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                    #24
                    I have to disagree with the assumption that side pronged pips are found on most fakes today. This is based on assumption that the Uniforms surfacing today with these are post war put together. However a close study of period photos for example those in Thier Honor was loyalty show that style pip was used frequently and it was very common.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by John Pic
                      I have to disagree with the assumption that side pronged pips are found on most fakes today. This is based on assumption that the Uniforms surfacing today with these are post war put together. However a close study of period photos for example those in Thier Honor was loyalty show that style pip was used frequently and it was very common.
                      John,
                      I'm not saying that side-prong pips were not used during the war, of course they were. As far as being as common as the center prong style, whose to say. From the original SS collar tabs that I have handled, they almost always have had center prong pips - my experience leads me to believe that the center prong style was more common. As I mentioned previously, the side-prong pip issue was not the deciding factor on this tab for me, but rather a further cause for suspicion on an already questionable tab...My assumption that most of the fakes today use the side-prong pips is based on a study of loose tabs that are offered for sale, almost every single fake SS rank tab that I have seen has had side-prongs pips...John

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                        #26
                        SS rank tab

                        Hello,

                        First off, thank you all for taking the time out of your day to look at the rank tab at a closer glance. I am not in denial about the rank tab, really I am not. I will most likely be sending them back shortly. These came from Chris Jenkins and he stated that he will take them back no problem, so in all that is fair, at least I have this behind the tabs. You guys know way more about these as my main bag is awards, so I appreciate the help with letting me know what "red flags" to look for.

                        It is too bad that at one time these might have had a different rank tab, to tell you the truth that really pisses me off If any of you have on file, the original rank tab that was matched with the runic I would love to see it. I know Mr. Wood had some images on file so I wonder if he has the original photos.

                        Any other opinions on the rank tab or photos needed?

                        Please let me know either way.

                        Thank you.

                        William Kramer
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                          #27
                          Just to clarify, I think your assesment of the tab is correct it does not look like one I would trust either. But I urge caution in using side pronged pips as a way of determining fakes. There are three types of the side pronged pips the type I see most commonly on fakes are a less detailed and more domed grey metal. The other two types are more detailed one having straight prongs the other two, to include the less detailed one, with more angled v shaped prongs. I would be concerned If all the tabs had the same exact style pips. Not long ago several tunics "surfaced" with rounded glass pips which were correct period style pips but the coincidence that so many tunics were suddenly available with these as well as the same style sleeve eagles was too much coincidence.

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                            #28
                            "the type I see most commonly on fakes are a less detailed and more domed grey metal."

                            I agree John,these are the type I HATE.I'm pretty sure the set I've got with these type of prongs are from the same manufacturer as the tabs that Delta sold in the late 70s and early 80s. Gary has pictures which will follow in time.

                            Good to see you back on here too (I don't...well actually can't...go on GD anymore) and have missed your valued and informed opinion.

                            Cheers,Ian.

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                              #29
                              collar tabs

                              Hello,

                              Would it be possible to ever match the rune tab with a period rank patch or are there too many differences? The reason I am asking is I can either return just the rank tab or both of them. What would you do and why? Please let me know either way. Thank you.

                              William Kramer
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                                #30
                                Boy, these certainly get around! I got these from Bill Shea about 3 years ago. I was never happy with the litzen on the rank tab so back they went.

                                BTW, both tabs shown in this thread were the ones I got from Bill.

                                Chris
                                Last edited by Manalishi; 11-24-2004, 05:14 PM.

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