SS Cut off insignia help

[nzef1940]

SS insignia is not my forte, however I am a 'cut off' fan.

Could SS insignia guru's advise on the following, as to style of eagle, chevron etc.

I hear Dachau insignia mentioned a lot (but no nothing about it), a steer to a good reference book on SS insignia would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks In advance.

[DeMil]

Nice "cut off".
No problem with this one.
If you do a search you will find out that this is not a late model "Dachau" eagle.
This one is earlier, probably produced around 1941-42?
The quality is better and the sewing is closer.
The chevron is in silver and not in gray cotton as for the later ones produced.
You see the eagle is more used than the chevron. The SS soldier became a "SS-Sturmmnann" sometime after the eagle was original attached to the uniform.

DeMil

[istra63]

good reply DeMil
A good reference to start with would be 'Insignia and Artifacts of the Waffen SS'
by the late Michael Beaver and assist Mark Bando.
This book gives a good account of textbook insignia without the perimeter variations
and insignia that some collectors would call marginal.

[nzef1940]

Many thanks, found the book and just ordered it.

good reply DeMil
A good reference to start with would be 'Insignia and Artifacts of the Waffen SS'
by the late Michael Beaver and assist Mark Bando.
This book gives a good account of textbook insignia without the perimeter variations
and insignia that some collectors would call marginal.

[nzef1940]

Thank you.

Nice "cut off".
No problem with this one.
If you do a search you will find out that this is not a late model "Dachau" eagle.
This one is earlier, probably produced around 1941-42?
The quality is better and the sewing is closer.
The chevron is in silver and not in gray cotton as for the later ones produced.
You see the eagle is more used than the chevron. The SS soldier became a "SS-Sturmmnann" sometime after the eagle was original attached to the uniform.

DeMil

[D Davies]

good reply DeMil
A good reference to start with would be 'Insignia and Artifacts of the Waffen SS'
by the late Michael Beaver and assist Mark Bando.
This book gives a good account of textbook insignia without the perimeter variations
and insignia that some collectors would call marginal.

Very nice cutt off,That is a Book i need to get around to buying.
Cheers
Dave.

[dhcoleterracina]

nice cut-off, some sing, some don't.

[Ian Hulley]

The sewing of the chevron confuses me ... it appears to be machine-sewn but if that was originally on this cut-off surely it would be hand-applied ?

I see nothing wrong with either piece of insignia by the way.

Ian.

[M Bando]

re: sewing on the chevron

Ian is right, that eagles were normally machine-sewn at the factory before the tunics were issued. Additional promotions were usually hand-sewn later. What this cut-off has going for it, is that a different sewing machine with different style stitching and color of thread were used to apply the corporal chevron. This is a positive sign, because it indicates that the rank was NOT applied before the tunic left the factory. But, the owner would still have had to seek-out a field tailor to apply the chevron for him. Combat soldiers didn't carry sewing machines around with them. As to the book 'Insignia & Artifacts of the Waffen SS', I think it's the only collector reference out there which illustrates numerous examples of cut-off W-SS insignia, still attached to a piece of cap or tunic. It's rather surprising that in all the decades since WWII ended and with all the books on TR collecting that have been published, this seems to be the only one that displays any cut-offs in it.

[WEISNER]

A great book Mr Bando which I find myself referring to several times a week. anyone with even the slightest interest in SS insignia needs this book!

Kev

[nzef1940]

Now on e stand

[PaulW]

On this thread (post 110):-

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=29717&page=8

you can see a KM cut-off with a machine sewn chevron. I agree, hand-sewn chevrons might be more common, but in the rear areas/ barracks I think a unit tailor could happily machine apply chevrons. Nice cut-off!

Regards, Paul

[cavguy]

On this thread (post 110):-

I agree, hand-sewn chevrons might be more common, but in the rear areas/ barracks I think a unit tailor could happily machine apply chevrons. Nice cut-off!

Regards, Paul

If the German Quartermaster / supply units were structured anything like American units, there is always a fully equipped clothing repair/ sew shop - support activity that deploys with, and supports the mission around brigade level.

[WalterB]

Nice "cut off".
No problem with this one.
If you do a search you will find out that this is not a late model "Dachau" eagle.
This one is earlier, probably produced around 1941-42?
The quality is better and the sewing is closer.
The chevron is in silver and not in gray cotton as for the later ones produced.
You see the eagle is more used than the chevron. The SS soldier became a "SS-Sturmmnann" sometime after the eagle was original attached to the uniform.

DeMil

Thank you DeMil for taking the time to provide this information. Very educational and appreciated!