SS-Iman

[Varsity]

Very very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Never saw these footage before.

[Ludwig]

[Anthony Evans]

I have 2 period magazines that have photos of a handschar unit, I will try to post later this evening for this thread

[TrondK]

Anyone who knows of uniforms or uniformremoved pieces from these volunteers?

[SSamir]

Steady on..."Ostmuslem thugs"......you will have the PC brigade on your back

Incidently I am married to one of the Ostmuslem thugs, and it may surprise to you know that they are the most tolerant and easy going Muslims around, very pragmatic and still to this day mix the old shamanic nomad traditions with Sunni Islam. The Imams stick to the Mescit and let the people decide what and what they will not do regarding their religion.......its an interesting way of life, sitting in a Yurta or family home with the family, some of them knocking back vodka and toasting others who only drink juice or tea, sharing halal and pork sausage and of course horse and yak meat, and more sheep than can you eat. Cold beer at the beach is a must and they make some great local beer that rivals the best in Europe. Thugs they are not, tough and hard people for sure, but thats the environment, but strong family ties and a mutual respect between the sexes makes for a pretty good way to live.

I understand, and I totally agree with you. I'm sure the modern ones are "tolerant" as u say, but these waffen SS muslims were fanatical cold-blooded killing machines. They murdered Jews in the tens, maybe the hundreds of thousands! I'm not trying to knock the muslim religion, I happen to be one myself. Just don't agree with what they did. Horrible!

[Rikster]

I understand, and I totally agree with you. I'm sure the modern ones are "tolerant" as u say, but these waffen SS muslims were fanatical cold-blooded killing machines. They murdered Jews in the tens, maybe the hundreds of thousands! I'm not trying to knock the muslim religion, I happen to be one myself. Just don't agree with what they did. Horrible!

I don't think anyone agrees with what they did, but do we differentiate between non Muslim SS killing 1000's of jews and Muslim SS killing 1000's of jews? The SS killed jews, amongst many many others, it was the doctrine of their leadership and political masters, it was what they did, my question is (and the book "Hitlers willing executioners" covers this too), were these guys fanatical, bloodthirsty murderers before they wore the uniform? Unlikely as nobody actually is (save a very precious few genuine psychopaths), it just seems that somehow its easier to say..."Ahh Hitlers Muslim troops, thugs, killers etc etc etc....", where in fact there were many more "thugs and killers" who were in fact no Muslim!
.....and yes I myself am one, converted due to marriage into the, thankfully tolerant and easy going Islam I described earlier......Alhamdulillah

[Askold]

Anyone who knows of uniforms or uniformremoved pieces from these volunteers?

- TrondK, as we can see on the photos - these specific volunteers wore either full germanic SS insignias or none at all. No national armshield was ever worn The only somewhat related insignias to muslim volunteers in SS would be:

- Wolf's head tab
- Kinjal tab (dagger on a shield)
- Ostturkische Waffen Verband der SS cuff.

Other muslim SS volunteer insignia would also be for Bosnian and Albanian SS divisions.

[SSamir]

Anyone here has period photos with the Waffen-verband CT in use?

[Rikster]

I assume no "national" shield as there would be Kazakh, kyrgyz, Uzbek, Tajiks to name but a few nationalities...all of them "Turkic" as are their respective and closely related languages

[TrondK]

- TrondK, as we can see on the photos - these specific volunteers wore either full germanic SS insignias or none at all. No national armshield was ever worn The only somewhat related insignias to muslim volunteers in SS would be:

- Wolf's head tab
- Kinjal tab (dagger on a shield)
- Ostturkische Waffen Verband der SS cuff.

Other muslim SS volunteer insignia would also be for Bosnian and Albanian SS divisions.

English is not my language so i wrote rather poorly. I meant exotic like the left collartab the Iman has on his tunic. It seems to be some kind of insignia on it, instead for the officer pipings.

[Anthony Evans]

here are 2 photos from period magazines

[Anthony Evans]

number 2

[Raschid]

SS Iman

my namesake SS-Standartenfuehrer Raschid was a Revert to Islam as known
as my grandfather as well . ı am American German-Hungarian (Volksdeutsche)
Austrian Turkish Cırcassian Heritage and Muslim with Christian Jewish relatives

so theoretıcally ı could have been in:

1) Ostuerkische Waffen Verband der SS

2) Waffen-Geb.Div Handschar

3) Sonderverband 287/288

4) Kaukasisch. Verband

5) 162 ID (TURK.) (- I was at the actuall burial ceremony for:

Prof. Dr. Dr. Baymıirza Hayit WH Hauptmann a.D.


and got the very moving Eulogy from one of his sons)




6) Brandenburger Unit methinks '' Moslem RGT '' Fallschirmjaeger Qualifıed



any '' decent'' comments or remarks I will in time answer

and anyone wıth more ınfo documents photos ı would welcome

as ı am finishing soon my book on :

ORIENT GERMANY From 1700 til Today
Anthology


Thanks Cheers Danke Teşekkuer ederim



Raschid


ps. Raschid wasn't the only German Convert ın the SS
and I know of One former SS General who reverted to Islam
after the war because ı have a signed statement from his daughter
....and probably one WH General who reverted to Islam....

.....but THAT is another story ! (methinks CONAN Film quote)


pps Many fine KUDOS to Dr. George Lepre for his OUTSTANDING (Apocalpese Now quote) for his doctorate which I have ın GERMAN a lot of people
don't now HOW much work and time goes into such works.

[Raschid]

Rygaard and Askold and Rikster Co-Comrades-In-Arms here at WA so to speak:

The answer was that AH and RFSS and RFD Hess Frau Bormann and a couple off other ''BIG and smallwigs''
were all ''Pro Islam'' so to say the Tischgespraeche quotes are well known
the other sources will be in my book......some at least.....

see my post on thıs thread as well if y all like

Raschid

[Raschid]

SS Iman

....a good friend of mine has his bırth certıfıcate sıgned by thıs (Ex SS-) Imam named Nemangani!

plus from a pure mılıtary-hıstorıcal-strategıc and tactıcal sense
ıt would have been'' better'' for Germans ıf they started buıldın these
Divisions from the getgo. Then ıt would have been Verbaende rather Divisons
'' Menschenmaterıal'' was enough

...and ı saıd ıt hear sometime ago the Germans are STILL makıng the same mıstakeç ı just lıved 14 years ın germany mostly ın berlın but not exclusıvely
and they have ABSOLUTELY no ıdea german: ''Keın Schımmer'' to handle and accept theır Foreıgners...and ı m talkıng not of just workers but top
people Head Dr.Med.s Consultants eveeh wıng tsu traıner of the GSG9
ıs turkısh....and ı know hım personally Goddangiı!!