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    SS-Iman

    We've heard of SS field chaplains in christian volunteer divisions, but what a great color film still of SS Iman from the Osturkishe Waffenverband der SS:



    Note the SS officer runes and the metal crescent device signifying Iman position on his rank tab:







    German commanding officer who converted to Islam - Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz



    Photos taken from:

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...51496#p1851496
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    Yes, an interesting piece of history..

    http://youtu.be/NPJHNl9Qlvo?t=45m41s

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      #3
      Note also the thread "Collar patch of the Mullah": Click!

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        #4
        It always surprised me how Germans would not issue full SS uniforms to Ost /Eastern European volunteers and then outfit these Ostmuslem thugs in full SS regalia along with SS runes.

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          #5
          Very interesting.... thanks for posting.

          I don't see any of the others with rune tabs other than the Imam.... Maybe a few of the NCO's although the film is too blurry to make it out clearly.
          Last edited by Max Wünsche; 02-05-2014, 07:47 PM.

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            #6
            Thank you for sharing, rare footage! Best, JLS

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              #7
              Very Interesting!!

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                #8
                Another vid of the same unit...

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uroqktc0dIs

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                  #9
                  Yes definately interesting piece of history. The picture color images showing the Iman wearing SS insignia is amazing.

                  Rene Chavez
                  www.foreignvolunteerlegion.com

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                    #10
                    Steady on..."Ostmuslem thugs"......you will have the PC brigade on your back

                    Incidently I am married to one of the Ostmuslem thugs, and it may surprise to you know that they are the most tolerant and easy going Muslims around, very pragmatic and still to this day mix the old shamanic nomad traditions with Sunni Islam. The Imams stick to the Mescit and let the people decide what and what they will not do regarding their religion.......its an interesting way of life, sitting in a Yurta or family home with the family, some of them knocking back vodka and toasting others who only drink juice or tea, sharing halal and pork sausage and of course horse and yak meat, and more sheep than can you eat. Cold beer at the beach is a must and they make some great local beer that rivals the best in Europe. Thugs they are not, tough and hard people for sure, but thats the environment, but strong family ties and a mutual respect between the sexes makes for a pretty good way to live.


                    Originally posted by Askold View Post
                    It always surprised me how Germans would not issue full SS uniforms to Ost /Eastern European volunteers and then outfit these Ostmuslem thugs in full SS regalia along with SS runes.
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                      #11
                      Hi Rikster, when i said 'thugs' - i was referring to the actual unit and not the present day nationalities. Not the unit with the cleanest war record.

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                        #12
                        By the way, Its Imam, this is Iman:
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                          #13
                          I realise that, raise the question, did giving them the uniform turn them into "thugs"?



                          Originally posted by Askold View Post
                          Hi Rikster, when i said 'thugs' - i was referring to the actual unit and not the present day nationalities. Not the unit with the cleanest war record.

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                            Hi Askold:

                            Omce again I must agree with you! I mean imagine someone from "Nordland" Langemarck" etc must have felt>? Im sure at this point in the game everyone else had other things on their mind ( Mainly survival) but would still love to hear the logic./explaination to that one././././
                            Originally posted by Askold View Post
                            It always surprised me how Germans would not issue full SS uniforms to Ost /Eastern European volunteers and then outfit these Ostmuslem thugs in full SS regalia along with SS runes.

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                              Rygaard

                              I think the explanation can be found in Himmler's fascination with the Muslim countries in order to sway them to the German cause - like Turkey, Bosnians, Albanians and the Middle East. I believe that in order to appeal/please them, he wanted to show that they were on equal status with the Germanic/Aryan members.

                              I also think that by 1945 the standards in Waffen SS have significantly dropped. If in 1943 a cufftitle was quite an honor and was awarded to distinguished units, by late war cuffs ike "Skanderbeg" or "Osturkishe" were made without any military distinction behind them. Not to mention the non-European Waffen SS formations towards the end of the war.

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