ss off feldbinde

[Ludwig]

Yes, but 100% original what? Feldbinde exclusively for Police officers who if they are SS members wear the SS officer buckle, or if not then only a Police officer buckle?...........of also SS-VT and later Waffen-SS? Does anyone have the orders creating the Feldbinde for SS-VT/Waffen-SS?

We all (?) know, that regulations was one thing and reality another. I have had several WSS-tunics that I got directly from the original owner (and could be seen worn in original wartime photos!!!) and none of them were 100% as per regulations. This of course occured in all areas; caps, belts, awards... You name it!

[derek]

Jean Pierre,
Thank you for posting your excellent image of Pauly. Based on your studies and experience in this specific area, I for one, would be interested in your thoughts on the green and black backing to the belts.
Derek

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Jean Pierre,
Thank you for posting your excellent image of Pauly. Based on your studies and experience in this specific area, I for one, would be interested in your thoughts on the green and black backing to the belts.
Derek

I have the chance to own Richard Pauly's wedding album, so it helps from time to time...

I believe there was only two brocades been introduced: the first one for the SS (black backing) and the second for the Police (both green and blue backings). It is based on:
a- Different orders were stipulating brocades backing and buckle colours should match the colour of the uniform and the colour of their button.
b- There is only two brocades listed in the Kleiderkasse list (your from 1941 and another I just received copy from November 1, 1940 as well - same article numbers 246 and 247) when we should expect to have at least three (another one with blue backing for WasserPol.) for the 1940 year.
c- Germans were saving materials and not wasting them.

So I believe there was only two brocades been officially introduced: one for the SS (black) dress uniform and later the two others for Police (green and blue) since black was not suitable for those uniforms. But once the green was introduced and made available there was no need to introduce again the same green backing colour for the W-SS. Just allowing the wear of the Police brocade with green backing by SS officers to match colour of their green uniform would be enough to comply with regulations. In that case an authorization should had been just enough.

What I also believe, like many others, is that the green shade backing is just a matter of fabric available at the maker's factory (same as way different blue shades for the WasserPol.) rather than specific to W-SS or Police uniform.
But I strongly believe W-SS officers were wearing those green backed (Police introduced) brocades on their field grey uniform.

But this is just what I believe, and my belief can change any time when evidence proves me wrong.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

But this is just what I believe, and my belief can change any time when evidence proves me wrong.

As I speak ...

After seeking for a week this photo, I finally found it! This is the uniform of SS-Obergruppenführer Oswald Pohl. This uniform was pictured in various books and magazines many times and in different languages. So I do not have a problem to believe in its accuracy.

Of interest in this thread is the brocade's backing colour worn with a green uniform: black backing - not green. Of course some would say it is very slim information since brocade and jacket could have just been stored in a closet and never been worn together but still that one shows a black backing brocade found together with a green uniform.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

This is the uniform of SS-Obergruppenführer Oswald Pohl. This uniform was pictured in various books and magazines many times and in different languages. So I do not have a problem to believe in its accuracy.

Here is now a private message I received few minutes ago regarding the above picture. To preserve privacy of its sender and other concerned parties I will not post names but replace them by
If this message is accurate (why not?) it once again stress how important is to rely only on period evidence / document rather than anything could be said / shown in post war books.

"Dear Sir,
I am sorry to inform you but the tunic you speak of came orginally from , purchased from a military dealer in Munich, , in the late 1960's . This tunic & a Litweka where both stripped of all insignia ,it was 's belief that they belonged to Pohl as they had no loops for medals originally . I saw both tunics in the 1970's and have photo of it dated Jan1970 , made it the rank of Gruppenfuhrer with ALLgemeine shoulderboards and a cufftitle Reichsfuhrung-SS , there was no mention of a belt or hat with these items . I have a picture and descriptions sent me originally of the tunic and three or four letters from him when we tried to do a deal in 1982 . As a side thought the cufftitle on this tunic is fake . It is nothing more than a enhanced put together grouping to a unkown person in my opinion ."

[steiner68]

better pictures

[steiner68]

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[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Just to be back on books stating (or allowing readers to believe) SS brocades with green backing could had been officially introduced to be worn by Waffen SS officers. Both of those books are assuming but none is providing any official source.

Here is the first extract from the book I own. This was taken from "LAH" from Bender and Cook.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Now that is from the revisted edition of Angolia's Brocade Belts and Buckles. He goes even deeper stating Waffen SS brocades with green backing were introduced first ...