ss off feldbinde

[jimt]

Obviously the problem with drawing conclusions from these existing examples is that only the keeper is actually affixed to the belt. The buckle itself is loose and so either version can be put on the belt.
To me the simplest and most obvious conclusion is this:
The brocade belt exists in two forms. One has black backing and one has green backing.
The official catalogue issued by the supply counter for both branches lists two belts; one for the SS and one for the police.
Logic tells me the black is for members of the SS and the green is for use by the police according to their dress uniform colours.
Derek

I agree with this totally .

[jimt]

ss feld

double post

[ferdinandmax]

there are three colors, one for black Allgemeine SS, one for the Waffen SS feldgrau, and one for the police, in the color of the police uniform, regards sergio

[Robert H]

there are three colors, one for black Allgemeine SS, one for the Waffen SS feldgrau, and one for the police, in the color of the police uniform, regards sergio

agree,

Feldgrau also for SS-VT

[JoeW]

I would love to see some evidence.

In November 1941, wear of the SS-Polizeifeldbinde was restricted for the duration of the war. I would presume the same order was given for SS-Allgmeine Feldbinde mentioned in the 1941 Kleiderkasse listing as the order came from the RFSS und Chef d Dt Polizei. As wear of brocade belts was severely restricted during the war, why would a new brocade belt color be introduced?

[derek]

"there are three colors, one for black Allgemeine SS, one for the Waffen SS feldgrau, and one for the police, in the color of the police uniform"

I'm with Joe. Where's your proof? Where's your supporting evidence? On what are you basing your opinion?
I have provided introductory dates, use of wear and an official listing indicating only two belts.
Unless you can convince me otherwise with some data your statement is pure speculation in my opinion.
Derek

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

I think there is a difference in the backing from Police to Waffen SS. Take another example. The SS runes patch worn by SS members in the Police is on Police green wool. The Waffen SS pocket Runes are on a lighter colored wool. You can also find dark blue backed SS brocades that were worn by Water Police officers. If Water Police have their own color backing why wouldn't regular Police.

Kirby

Wasserschutzpolizei rocades with blue backing also exist with various shades of blue, ranging from medium blue to dark blue almost black. The ones made from gabardine are medium blue, the ones made from velvet are dark blue almost black. As far as I know they are both for the same WasserPol. uniforms....

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

Obviously the problem with drawing conclusions from these existing examples is that only the keeper is actually affixed to the belt. The buckle itself is loose and so either version can be put on the belt.
To me the simplest and most obvious conclusion is this:
The brocade belt exists in two forms. One has black backing and one has green backing.
The official catalogue issued by the supply counter for both branches lists two belts; one for the SS and one for the police.
Logic tells me the black is for members of the SS and the green is for use by the police according to their dress uniform colours.
Derek

Indeed. Let's not forget the one for WasserPol. with neither black or green but blue backing

[JoeW]

Indeed. Let's not forget the one for WasserPol. with neither black or green but blue backing

Correct J-P, and both police green and water police blue were specified in the order creating the SS-Polizeifeldbinde in February 1939.

[derek]

Thank you Jean Pierre for the excellent addition.
John Pierre and Joe, do the police regulations mirror the SS introductory order in that the brocade belt could only be worn with the sword?
Derek

[JoeW]

Derek, the SS-Polizeifeldbinde replaced the Polizei Feldbinde that was introduced a year or so earlier. That is the substance of the order introducing the SS-Polizeifeldbinde. as well as specifying who wears the officer SS-Feldbindeschloss (buckle) or officer Polizei Feldbindeschloss and what color it was to be.

The earlier police dress regulations of 1938 indicated that the Polizeifeldbinde was only to be worn in circumstances calling for the Parade Uniform. And those circumstances were some of those listed for the wear of the SS-Feldbinden.

[Robert H]

It is quite interesting for me that the green color variation matches exact the VT green color rather the bright green Police color.
Will see if evidence will sometime be found for it, for sure a color match is more suitable like for Weidinger or others. Pending on the view we know color variations but honest police green and VT green is quite a different color.

[JoeW]

It is quite interesting for me that the green color variation matches exact the VT green color rather the bright green Police color. Will see if evidence will sometime be found for it, for sure a color match is more suitable like for Weidinger or others. Pending on the view we know color variations but honest police green and VT green is quite a different color.

Robert, I think there is some confusion here. The order creating the SS-Polizeifeldbinde states the cloth lining (Tuchfutter) has the color of the tunic (Waffenrock), navy blue for Waterpolice and mixed green for all others. Were you thinking the backing color should be the color of the tunic piping and collar tab backing of the Schutzpolizei which is bright green? Mixed green (grünmeliert) was the standard color of all police tunics and pants, kind of a gray/green, but definitely not like the bright Schupo green color, as shown here in this view of a Schutzpolizei officer tunic.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

is there photo evidence of an SS-Feldbinde being worn with the Waffen-SS uniform?

Photo taken in September 1939 at Richard Pauly wedding. Richard Pauly is wearing his TK uniform with the SS-Heimwehr Danzig cuff title.

[Jean Pierre Redeuilh]

I found an "example" of an SS-Feldbinde with grey back on page 88 of Art Hayes' book on SS collectibles. Well, it is the only example I have found. Does anyone know of another?

That one cannot be used since the brocade is mounted with a 1936 SS buckle made from nickel silver. So belt and brocade were not issued at the same period or together but instead the SS buckle could have been added anytime, pre-1945 or post 1945.