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    #16
    Zepphead and Felix,

    Would you mind please explaining what 'proper' scratches and wear should look like on helmet cover clips?

    thank you.

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      #17
      I can fully understand your request.

      However, as I said here many times before, I will not disclose anything in order to prove my claims to be right and by that, as a side effect, improve the fakes.

      You, or a potential buyer of this cover, can value my posts or not. Frankly, I don't care much either way.

      If you ask me, too much has been disclosed already by those that have to prove they know a lot. Be assured I could prove it to be a bad item if I'd feel the urge to do so. Yet, again, this would improve the fakes, thus I am not going to share any of my observations.




      Cheers

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        #18
        While you so knowledgeable people carry on condemning this cover I'll show you a couple of images. The first one of the inside of the clips of this cover and the second one being kindly supplied by Roy A of the same area on one of his type 1 covers.





        So, again for you so knowledgeable people, does the first image have the traits of an Italian fake? If so we'd better let Roy A know that he has an Italian fake in his collection..............

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          #19
          Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
          While you so knowledgeable people carry on condemning this cover I'll show you a couple of images. The first one of the inside of the clips of this cover and the second one being kindly supplied by Roy A of the same area on one of his type 1 covers.





          So, again for you so knowledgeable people, does the first image have the traits of an Italian fake? If so we'd better let Roy A know that he has an Italian fake in his collection..............
          I am not so sure cynism or sarcasm will make people help you out on that.

          However, since I am a very patient and polite person I will give you this bit of help: Please realize that the "italian" covers are actually very well made. This is not the re-enactors sort of stuff.

          The fact that they are sharing features with originals does not mean they are original. A ferrari logo won't turn a dodge into a ferrari (or vice versa for the dodge admirers).



          Cheers

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            #20
            I do apologise if I'm coming across with a hint of cynicism and sarcasm.

            Surely, the most simple way to show this cover is one of the Italian fakes would to be compile a portfolio of images of the 'wrong' points of such fakes and then compare these wrong points to the wrong points on the cover in question? So, has anyone got some good close up images of another Italian fake cover?

            Firstly, I'd like to see images of the inner clips of another fake Italian cover?
            Last edited by tinturkey; 10-29-2013, 01:36 PM.

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              #21
              Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
              I do apologise if I'm coming across with a hint of cynicism and sarcasm.
              I, for one, can uderstand that the whole scenario can be somewhat frustrating

              Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
              Surely, the most simple way to show this cover is one of the Italian fakes would to be compile a portfolio of images of the 'wrong' points of such fakes and then compare these wrong points to the wrong points on the cover in question? So, has anyone got some good close up images of another Italian fake cover?
              Do a forum search, meanwhile there are plenty of threads dealing with them.

              Cheers

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                #22
                I've done lots of forum searches and read all of the posts I could find pertaining to this subject. I couldn't find any close up images of say the stitching on these fakes. What I'll do on this forum is to first of all put nice close up images of the stitching on the cover in question. Hopefully, anyone with a fake Italian cover can send in comparison images.

                Here is an image of the stitching on the Autumn side of the cover (taken at the front)-



                Another of the summer side - similar angle -

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                  #23
                  In case you are referring to the "fake double needle seems" vs single needle seems: Yours is a "single needle cover".

                  Although it had been posted here recently that the vast majority of the italian covers are "fake double needle" it is my belief they are not. The majority is "true" single needle IMO.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
                    Hoss,

                    Why the pretty red lines on the photo above? Please explain.
                    Sure
                    I see that cut on a lot of reproductions I've personally moved away from cloth used apart from the obvious for reasons laid out by SpanF btw the old clip inspection is old school the modern repops are virtually the same as originals. If you think its original and you obviously do then good luck with your auction, the initial post was for thoughts well I gave mine. I don't like the rivets either just me ok fair enough.

                    Cheers
                    Eric

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                      #25
                      Fritz, I did realise that mine is a single stitch version. I would still like to see another Italian fake 'single stitch' for comparison.

                      Hoss, thank you for your reply.
                      Last edited by tinturkey; 10-29-2013, 02:33 PM.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Hoss View Post
                        Sure
                        I see that cut on a lot of reproductions
                        That's why I asked: The problem is that this is a valid feature with some makers. Various cuts were used by various makers.

                        Of course that doesn't save this cover here.

                        Cheers

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                          #27
                          Comparisons please.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
                            I would still like to see another Italian fake 'single stitch' for comparison.
                            They are on this forum. Yet, when you search for "ss helmet cover" there are 22 pages with results and I have no time to work my way through it.

                            They are there though!

                            Cheers

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by tinturkey View Post
                              Fritz, I did realise that mine is a single stitch version. I would still like to see another Italian fake 'single stitch' for comparison.

                              Hoss, thank you for your reply.
                              No problem
                              I apologise for commenting on a piece at auction I stopped doing that shortly after joining forums something about it doesn't seem right. After the new owner may ask for thoughts after all they are just opinions nothing beats a hands on inspection.

                              Regards
                              Eric

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                                #30
                                well very recenlty there was a great post on this matter.....! and I will only say...the key is in the stiching......(not single or double) just foucs your search on stiching and you will find all the answers......

                                I agree with Fritz on this one....my two cents...

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