SS Buckle (real/fake)?

[Chris Gall]

I am new to the forum and could use some help on this buckle I have had for almost ten years. I bought this from an auction house here in Canada. Just want to know if its the real thing or not. *I have edited the pictures. I hope these are clearer.*

Thanks,
Chris

[Stossgruppe3]

Buckle ....

This is an O&C Buckle ...... IMO I would like to see closer photos before judge is made but from the first clance it looks okay as there are a few differences between this and the very good copies. David

[David North]

Chris

I agree with David that (and with all due respect, from the slightly hazy images submitted), this buckle appears to be an original and early nickle silver SS by Overhoff. Assume that there are the initials O & C preceding ges. gesch.

Attached is another Overhoff for your comparison.

Regards,

David

[David North]

Reverse

[Stossgruppe3]

O&C Buckle.

Nice photo David ...... now to my knowledge there are £ detailed differences between the fake and copy buckle that are apparent. The Eye, the Swastika, and the G
g's in the makers mark. If you know the difference between these buckles you will know what I am talking about, if you don't may I suggest you compare both buckles. David

[Marc verstraete]

Hello all, the buckle is real, no problem. Part of the text has been grained off to erase the makers name (O&C). I have seen this before. It is not uncommon.

Marc

[David North]

Another nickle silver "Overhoff" chaps.

Regards,

David

[David North]

reverse

[Gary Cain]

Hello Marc,
I have not heard of this practice. Is there any reason why it was done?

Cheers
Gary

Hello all, the buckle is real, no problem. Part of the text has been grained off to erase the makers name (O&C). I have seen this before. It is not uncommon.

Marc

[David North]

One more "Overhoff".

Regards,

David

[David North]

reverse

[Marc verstraete]

Hello Marc,
I have not heard of this practice. Is there any reason why it was done?

Cheers
Gary

Regulation changes during the transitional period of the creation of the RZM and new SS regulations.

Makers could not been advertised any longer on the items for the SS (and other political branches) Later only the SS / RZM contract number was allowed on the items.

The practice of erasing the manufactures name on buckles can be observed on other political or state cervices buckles too.

The post war erasing of factory markings is also possible on some buckles such as the commonly encountered mint condition RS&S railway buckle in aluminum. This was done for obvious reasons of not been to closely associated with nazi items but still selling the old stocks to early militaria dealers. This is not the case for the above pictured buckle as this is a very early model and would not have survived in the Overhoff stock until the post war period.

Marc

[Chris Gall]

SS Buckle (real/fake)?

Thanks for all the help on the buckle. The information has been very helpful and explains the removed makers mark.

Chris