SS Postschutz Armband

[Ron Weinand]

In a Postschutz grouping of an SS man, this armband and cufftitle were present. I have never seen the cufftitle before, so anyone ever seen one of these?

[CWP]

Looks like a fantasy cuff title and an original state service armband with a fake stamp, to me.

[Ron Weinand]

In Wehrpass forum and the Edged Weapons forum are the items that came with them.

[CWP]

I can't fault the other items one bit and yet I still find this stamped armband and crude cuff title very difficult to accept. Had these been found outside of any grouping it wouldn't even be a discussion. I suppose there is no way to know for sure when this grouping came together, whether it was during the war or, as I suspect, long after.

[Hundestaffel]

Looks like a fantasy cuff title and an original state service armband with a fake stamp, to me.

BINGO.


"Hundestaffel"

[Robert H]

I am not an expert in this SS section field but I doubt those items.
SS Postschutz title exist but look way different the are on blk base with white machine embroidery. A stamp like this is nonsense on a cuffband.
For the armband I think the same (thinking is not knowing), a quite similar armband is shown though in the Angolia SS cloth book p.466.

[Rob83]

John over at Germanwarbooty.com has one of these cufftitles for sale currently.

[militarymania]

original armband,bogus stamp,,,bogus cuffband as well

[Poland 1939]

Postschutz armband

Regarding the small White Armband, has anyone checked the Fieldpost # already? Does it matches with Postschutz. I am not sure, I guess it is # 56307. This is not a FP # of the Postschutz.
Kannapin could help out here.
Michael

[Ron Weinand]

Here is a closeup of the stamp and it still doesn't help much. I would say it is 56509 or 54509 or 56409, I just can't tell.

[Bill D.]

I'm going to add my two cents, which comes simply from having been a collector of militaria since 1967.

If there is some identifiable problem with the cuff title and service armband, such as the use of post-war materials or post-war inks, or something similar, then I would have no problem with anyone dismissing the items as "fantasy" pieces.

But simply because something has never been seen before is not, in my opinion, a reason to label it a fantasy. That presumes that we have seen everything and know everything, which we obviously do not.

In decades of collecting I have seen many, many items that were initially rejected as fakes or fantasy simply on the basis of "I've never seen one like that" or "They never did it that way", only to see the items ultimately proven to be absolutely legitimate.

Here is an example:

Several years ago a collector showed me a German helmet that he had acquired directly from a veteran. It was Luftwaffe blue, with the Luftwaffe eagle on it.

No problem, right?

Then I turned the helmet around and saw on the other side a POLICE decal.

My immediate reaction was "fantasy", although the decals looked perfect. I thought that perhaps the decals had been stuck on there post-war to create an impressive souvenir for an occupation duty G.I.

The collector then showed me a photo album that had been brought home by the same veteran, and that obviously came from the same place as the helmet. The cover of the photo album was decorated with two German helmet decals: one Luftwaffe and one Police decal. The album belonged to a German Police officer who had been assigned to the Luftwaffe to investigate aircraft crashes in the 1930's. The album was filled with photos of the owner at crash sites...wearing the exact helmet that came with the album, bearing Luftwaffe and Police eagle decals.

So yes, maybe these two cloth pieces are a modified state service armband with a bogus stamp and a fantasy cuff title. But my thought was also the possibility that the modified armband and printed cuff title might reflect late war exigencies, when an organization as relatively small as the Postschutz could have found it more expedient to use items like this, particularly if the war had impacted the ability to acquire the "textbook" style of Postscgutz cuff title that we have seen in the reference books.

Again, just my two cents.

[Ron Weinand]

Thanks for the comments Bill. I know the bayonet and knot are correct as is the Wehrpass and the two armbands, good or bad, were not important to the price paid and I intend to keep the items together as it came.
I have never been too fond of the smaller armband. That being said, I have seen a non-regulations SS Postschutz cufftitle on an SS black uniform in the veteran's hands in the last couple of years that makes me pause and wonder that, since the unit was so small and insignias were scarce, what they did towards the end of the war.

[PHILBROWN]

I'm going to add my two cents, which comes simply from having been a collector of militaria since 1967.

If there is some identifiable problem with the cuff title and service armband, such as the use of post-war materials or post-war inks, or something similar, then I would have no problem with anyone dismissing the items as "fantasy" pieces.

But simply because something has never been seen before is not, in my opinion, a reason to label it a fantasy. That presumes that we have seen everything and know everything, which we obviously do not.

In decades of collecting I have seen many, many items that were initially rejected as fakes or fantasy simply on the basis of "I've never seen one like that" or "They never did it that way", only to see the items ultimately proven to be absolutely legitimate.

Here is an example:

Several years ago a collector showed me a German helmet that he had acquired directly from a veteran. It was Luftwaffe blue, with the Luftwaffe eagle on it.

No problem, right?

Then I turned the helmet around and saw on the other side a POLICE decal.

My immediate reaction was "fantasy", although the decals looked perfect. I thought that perhaps the decals had been stuck on there post-war to create an impressive souvenir for an occupation duty G.I.

The collector then showed me a photo album that had been brought home by the same veteran, and that obviously came from the same place as the helmet. The cover of the photo album was decorated with two German helmet decals: one Luftwaffe and one Police decal. The album belonged to a German Police officer who had been assigned to the Luftwaffe to investigate aircraft crashes in the 1930's. The album was filled with photos of the owner at crash sites...wearing the exact helmet that came with the album, bearing Luftwaffe and Police eagle decals.

So yes, maybe these two cloth pieces are a modified state service armband with a bogus stamp and a fantasy cuff title. But my thought was also the possibility that the modified armband and printed cuff title might reflect late war exigencies, when an organization as relatively small as the Postschutz could have found it more expedient to use items like this, particularly if the war had impacted the ability to acquire the "textbook" style of Postscgutz cuff title that we have seen in the reference books.

Again, just my two cents.

wise words indeed sir

[miraul]

Here is a closeup of the stamp and it still doesn't help much. I would say it is 56509 or 54509 or 56409, I just can't tell.

56509 krigsberchter kompanie ss lssah

[stpd602]

maybe WAY late, but here is one.
http://www.wwiidaggers.com/39437.htm