Civilian SS Enamel Pins

[PMan]

Hi,
Did these exist in a lapel pin format? One is marked JFS and is serial numbered. The other is unmarked.
Peter

[David48]

JFS was never awaderd an ss contract for production of ss organizational badges, J.R. Cone. ONE PEOPLE, ONE REICH.

[zozole]

Any chance to see the number?

[Seiler]

JFS was never awaderd an ss contract for production of ss organizational badges, J.R. Cone. ONE PEOPLE, ONE REICH.

Korrekt.
Gahr and Hoff****** only.
Well documented.

Seiler

[PMan]

Pins

Thanks everyone!
Peter

[Helbe]

I still have doubt concerning these SS-Zivilabzeichen. I think they might be real unless someone proves me the contrary if possible with documents.
I know that JFS made SS Buckles, why wouldn't they did SS pins ?
The shapes of the runes are very sharp, the enamel is very well done, the pin itself is of good quality and always with great patina. I've never seen a *mint* JFS SS pin.
Moreover for all the examples I've seen the numbers are always different.
Damn I don't know what to think.
I personnaly have one Hoffstätter pin (number 126982) and they are so close to each other.

[PMan]

Jfs

I still have doubt concerning these SS-Zivilabzeichen. I think they might be real unless someone proves me the contrary if possible with documents.
I know that JFS made SS Buckles, why wouldn't they did SS pins ?
The shapes of the runes are very sharp, the enamel is very well done, the pin itself is of good quality and always with great patina. I've never seen a *mint* JFS SS pin.
Moreover for all the examples I've seen the numbers are always different.
Damn I don't know what to think.
I personnaly have one Hoffstätter pin (number 126982) and they are so close to each other.

Hello,
I have since received a private message from a forum member stating that he is aware of a documented vet acquired example. I will try to photo the backside.
A little tricky with the button hole device.
Thank you, Peter

[The Red Baron]

I'm very interested to see where this goes as I too immediately noticed the high quality of the pins....

[David48]

Original members badges had a wide outer silver border and a thinner inner one and were slightly convex.
Generally, most badges worn as cuff links etc. were original badges with different types of fastener
systems converted by jewelers. per J. R. Cone

[Seiler]

Original members badges had a wide outer silver border and a thinner inner one and were slightly convex.
Generally, most badges worn as cuff links etc. were original badges with different types of fastener
systems converted by jewelers. per J. R. Cone

Get yourselves (pay) a look see at File No.NS 19 **** SS zivilabzeichen
at Berlin Documents Center.
Approved by Himmler as a non award,private purchase,at "absolutely no cost
to the SS".
Some 50-60 pages only but interesting infighting for the right to make.
First approved producer.Hoffstatter,Bonn who already had a design from
SS Member employee Walter Heck.He was paid 1.5Rmk for the pleasure.
His mother wrote a blistering letter to Himmler******
Hoff claimed to have produced some 185000 plus extras
Gahr figure only as a Johnny come lately thru intense lobbying by Karolina
Gahr."Himmler said dont copy Hoffstatter,as long as they look alike" Hence the
pin differences in size.Gahr reported some 1650 plus extras when the pin was
discontinued.
NO OTHER MAKER WAS APPROVED BY HIMMLER (No JFS or any body else).
Compared with todays price Hoff about 1.5 RM Gahr about 2.2 plus the
cost of the "keeper" as a XTRA????
I personally have READ the files several years back.
I also own Gahr pin #1 with its Purchase Order Gifted to AH by Himmler
who believe it or not was NOT a Member of the SS per say.(AH that is)
No more arguments please????
A lot of rubbish written about such an insignificant little stickpin!!
Seiler

[Seiler]

Hello,
I have since received a private message from a forum member stating that he is aware of a documented vet acquired example. I will try to photo the backside.
A little tricky with the button hole device.

Thank you, Peter

Sorry.Another "Vet acquired" story to distort History,I,ll bet
Seiler

[PMan]

Pm

Sorry.Another "Vet acquired" story to distort History,I,ll bet
Seiler

Here's the PM that I was sent. Also some other images of the pins. The JFS is serial numbered 87557 at top of back and JFS at lower area of the backside. Kevin, the information you provided leads to a a pretty firm conclusion however. Thanks for taking the time to go into that detail. Much appreciated. Peter

[PMan]

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[The Red Baron]

very interesting conversation.....Seiler, so are you saying the archive documents show that only the 2 well known producers were ever approved?

Does this 100% preclude other production in a private context or some other small production run?

[Seiler]

very interesting conversation.....Seiler, so are you saying the archive documents show that only the 2 well known producers were ever approved?

Does this 100% preclude other production in a private context or some other small production run?

Absolutely NO OTHER.
Defy Himmler at your peril!!
Seiler