E-stand fake wooden crap, how long do we have to keep up with that?

[Ian Hulley]

So . . . does your comment reek of "Hey, I thought I was part of the Team - what about me?" . . . or does it sound more like . . . "I do so much more for all of you, so I should get a Free Pass" . . . ???

I wonder how everyone reads this one . . .

I can't speak for Derek (although I feel I know what he would say) but I for one use this site as a shared learning platform. I learn something new most days - especially when cruising the Crosses of the Wehrmacht, Helmet or Soft Headgear Forums - and in return I try to help by sharing my knowledge so that others can hopefully avoid the mistakes I made when I WAS actually collecting.

Just for the record paying $25 or $30 or $100 doesn't make you any better a collector OR more importantly in the context of this thread any more honest.

Ian.

[Michael Fay]

What if someone truly believes, in his heart, that what he is selling is absolutely genuine, and as he/she chooses to describe, is equally well?

OK - so you disagree.

Then you open a "discussion thread" - one that is specifically directed at creating an objective discussion about the item you feel is inappropriately misrepresented.

Of course, there is possibilty that you are wrong . . . but you feel confident.

OK - now the opened "discussion thread" takes over - this allows each opposing view an equal platform for justification.

Guess what? This Forum already offers each side of an argument that opportunity!

I say, if you are contributing member, exercise your ability to take these measures if you disagree with what you see here . . . and if you are too cheap to join the club, be happy that you too have been granted the ability to do the same . . . this has been working well enough for a long time, and there is no reason to make waves for change now.

Where do you get this stuff? You are holding your torch for the wrong one.

A) I have always been a paid up card holding full time CONTRIBUTING member of WAF, for what ever that PROVES.
And I dont think it proves much.
While, The person you seem to be protecting was not a paying member for a couple years...(I used to post photos for him myself...guess that makes me even more contributing as I helped a non paying or in your words "non contributing" WAF member Thorsten) so in your estimation there is somthing wrong with him in your mind now? Or does he still get special exemption protections from both non paying for years and misrepresenting his items from you? Even though he was not a CONTRIBUTING member for a couple of years?

B) I have a discussion thread at this exact moment of an E-Stand item from this seller.
ANd guess what? the seller refuses to present his side. SO...only one side of arguement presented anyway.

Why dont you comment there YOURSELF? The seller is too afraid to do so-with goog reason.
Good luck figuring out how to defend him there.

C) Oh by the way, it is the person who asserts somthing is authentic who must prove their assertion.
Or did you forget that in your haste to light your torch up and tell me to be quiet?

D) By telling me to" not make waves...because that is how WAF has always worked well," are you implying no one has ever pointed out fakes, and dishonest practices of individuals ,members and dealers on WAF before?
If so, you are so incorrect, I am amused.

[Michael Fay]

I can't speak for others, but I for one have said on several occasions that I would happily become an association member if people with a history of fraud were denied becoming/being the same and not allowed to put up classifieds on WAF.

Minnesinger brings up an important point for those saying those bringing this up should "shut up for the good of WAF."
There are people who emailed me over the years describing how unbelievable it is this guy is still here.
Many European continent folks in PMs told me they wont ever post anything in the realm of SS cultural items, (even though they have been collecting in this area for years),because of this one individual.
They simply refuse to get into a position to have to get dirtied and beschmirched by his brand of vitriol that he seemed to heap on Europeans who dared to post in the old closed down SS cultural thread.

So, now we have members like Minnesinger...who has been CONTRIBUTING a lot on WAF(go look up his many helpful postings via the search function instead of assuming), refusing to go to the next level of membership out of a sense of dismay at who gets to run rough-shod over the truth here.

[Gary Wood]

ANd guess what? the seller refuses to present his side. SO...only one side of arguement presented anyway.

Michael,
He does not have to answer any questions and members goading him will only get themselves into trouble.

What you all need to do is PROVE 100% with facts;

Items are fake

They are not as described

Start a thread about each item if must be and I will post a link within the sales thread, keep such threads on track and about fact's of the item not the seller.


And likewise Thorston you will in future have to prove 100% that the items you are selling on the estand are what you say they are ie SS items and period items otherwise they will be removed, you may of course list any item not proved in the bazaar where all the other copy and non period stuff goes, but if the description claims they are something they are not they will be removed.

And on another note Thorsten (your complaint to administrator re closed threads) i do not have a problem or agenda with you but i will edit and close any thread I see fit in my section and your attempt to start another thread on said subject will not be tolerated.

Now these items really fall within the political scope , we have a political forum so in future start a threads regarding there use in the political section of the forum.

http://184.172.36.50/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=93

Items posted for sale that need to be discussed can be posted in the above forum for discussion , the mods there can post a link within the sales threads if not then by all means PM me and I will do it. If the items are claimed to be SS then then post them here for discussion

Remember Proof and keep it to the item.

Thank you
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