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    #16
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    T, The LAH grp is fake .(imho). The stamp is the key , the Krass & Sandig sig. are also poor attempt's

    There's a lot "blending' in these fake grps from Europe ,very non-descript citations w/ high value documents to elite divisions added.
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    Cheers Steve

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      #17
      Originally posted by SJP View Post
      T, The LAH grp is fake .(imho). The stamp is the key , the Krass & Sandig sig. are also poor attempt's

      There's a lot "blending' in these fake grps from Europe ,very non-descript citations w/ high value documents to elite divisions added.
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      Cheers Steve

      Thanks alot for the honest help guys with these dodgy docs
      its really creepy on what level forgers are on these days!!!!!
      how do you want to manage to acquire for example a really convincing doc grouping on the go?! like fleamarkets, estate sales and so on, without having proofed original signatures or stamps examples to compare handy at that moment?!
      I had a few WH Doc groupings in my hands through collectors life and sigs and stamps aside..from the feel and gut feeling and look and smell and lastly UV test, i wouldnt have had any doubt in this grouping..

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        #18
        Originally posted by SJP View Post
        T, The LAH grp is fake .(imho). The stamp is the key , the Krass & Sandig sig. are also poor attempt's

        There's a lot "blending' in these fake grps from Europe ,very non-descript citations w/ high value documents to elite divisions added.
        __________________________________________________ __________
        Cheers Steve

        Completely agree with Steven on this.

        This must be the fouth group I see following the same pattern of manufacture, composition, etc.

        Very bad IMO. Stay clear.

        Markus

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          #19
          ..to add to this Thread, this Guy has sent all the docs to Lothar Bichlmaier who has published a catalogue for Award Docs and he returned them with positive expertises all found to be original Examples.. dont know what to think of it now

          Im no fan of expertises from "Sachverständige" anyhow (except nimmergut because he was "state-approved") but on the other hand, I wouldnt have thought they turn out fake in the first place because all looked very convincing...maybe photos were too bad?
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                #22
                its not good when u don't know what to think.
                Best is when you know your stuff and you don't have to ask and you put it in your cabinet ... and enjoy it.
                Ha, didn't we got Niemann,Hartung in Germany. You really should know better.

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                  #23
                  Hi,

                  very interesting topic, many thanks for all the good guys who spotted the fakes.

                  A question : were the blank Urkunden found in the 90's originals ?

                  See You

                  Vince

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