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CheersOriginally posted by Pieter Verbruggen View PostFelix, because a used and well worn cuff will pass much easier as original as a full length mint one.
Yes perhaps for those with less knowledge. An item must always stand on its own, no matter if worn or not. This title has fully acceptable and well done (compared to other latin bullion cuffs) bullion text- hence no reason to fake wear and shorten it. Really this cuff title needs no explaining.
Then it's much more difficult to produce a perfect embroidered band when you leave it in mint condition. If you look at the way the letters are formed, this has nothing to do with use or moisture, it's the way it's made.
You are part wrong and part correct. Hand embroidered bullion will vary (as I wrote above), and together with factors of wear makes it look a bit wilder. For sure moisture, movements, wear and tensions and streteches can alter original shape, or enhance variations done by the human hand. However this is a typical example of what one can expect from an original latin bullion cuff title.
If this doesn't bother you, fine for me, and with all respect to your opinion, but not for me not even for free.
With all respect of your opinion Peter, yes I would like to own this cuff title and pay a fair price for it. A quite desireable Deutschland cuff title.
Pieter.
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...luckily it's shortened, so we do not have to discuss if it ever had a control tag or not...because I do not think it ever had one
Zum wohl//
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Martin, Thanks for making me look at your WHOLE Website for the picture.Comment
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There is indeed quite a difference between both. Only looking at the thickness of each letter, the serifs,...
I know which one I would prefer!"Wir Deutschen fürchten Gott und sonst nichts auf der Welt " BISMARCKComment
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The cuff at Martins site is a very nice original and full length. (ok price too IMO)
The cuff in question is also a nice original but shortened.
Several subtle variants exists of hand embroidered cuff titles in both Latin and Gothic. (in fact none of the hand embroidered cuff titles are exactly the same.)
What style a collector prefers is up to him. To claim the initial cuff title is fake lacks substance. That is in a different style, yes.
What is next to come following Pieters wisdom of quality of the embroidery? That the so called Karl Wolff style eagles are fakes and made post war by a drunk?
Cheers
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Cuff titles
Both are different, both are original. No doubt about it.Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
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It is of my opinion that the title in question is original. Some manufacturers took better pride in their workmanship than others, which I believe is what we are seeing here. The reason being 1) The wear is consistant in the areas that I have circled in green to both the bullion lettering, as well as, the silver borders. 2) If a faker was going to fake this up, then why cut it down to only six or seven inches?? Why not leave more of the band and get more money out of it? Anyway, I believe that the doubters are reading more into it than what it is. It is IMO just a different embroiderer, maybe not as nice as others i.e. the one on Martin's site, but still original.
Pieter, I have seen direct US veteran purchased bullion skull tabs that were butt ugly and wouldn't give them the time of day if they were laying on someones table at a show. Maybe the embroiderer was drunk off of his/her ass when they went to work that day or had one heck of a hangover. Who knows. Regards, GrantComment
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...so we differ in opinion, no problem for me, we live in a free world no...
Some voted for Obama ...some didn't
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.... but if opinion is believed to be truth and expressed in the bold, declarative form, it can drive us to distraction- and destruction. What is key here is to be able to understand the difference between what is real and what is not. Some understand, others do not.Originally posted by Pieter Verbruggen View Post...so we differ in opinion, no problem for me, we live in a free world no...
Some voted for Obama ...some didn't
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Peter, your post is in the end also an "opinion". I do understand a little on militaria, probably not as much as you, but I do. Anyway no hard feelings.
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One thing is for sure, beware of embroidery that is some 10th of a mm to thick.
Propably Peter is aware lilke me of fake ct that where currently offered and propably purchased. From the land of the free EU. Ha ha no cent better.Comment
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...Robert, just leave it, it's original ...fine with me...
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