Totenkopf-Ring

[ferdinandmax]

here is another Totenkopfring, what is your opinion?, Thanks sergio

[ferdinandmax]

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[Dedman]

Nice original IMO...

[Thorsten B.]

Yes - looks good.

[juoneen]

Although this one has qualities about it, all we can do is give our own gut feelings , but regardless of what we say here, none of us will take responsibility financially if incorrect assesments are given , then youll all at once only get just excuses that they thought it looked right ,and then YOU are out whatever has been paid. Its too expensive to make mistakes on big ticket items always, even if made right, as the excessive shipping costs,risks , and chance to lose thes kinds of things in foreign mail service handlings of them, is now happening more and more all the time.

All we can give as YOUR friendly collector peers , is a positive, or negative feeling as to how we feel as to its originality to help you decide if this warrants to be sent or NOT to Don Boyle for the real deal final assessment you can be 100% sure on. To not Use Dons expertice while he is still the king of the ring to think you will save money and avoid patying the fee ,and get away with not doing so ,... is a monumental mistake .

I am not convinced by what I see personally to agree with the opinions so far, as not only do the photos NOT show enough conclusive evidence by the rings own merits from the few photos, but the inscription also is not convincing IMO to the positive.

Remember ,in regard to giving good opinions on items posted here, there are so many very well made HI QUality repros out there just waiting to naqil the unsuspecting , are actually getting to be like hi tech devices ,better by the week with the new equiptment out there to make the rings front sides,while the backs workmanship is still something only a man who did this for the wartime maker all day did for years on end over and over could master.....and considering that,... being the serious minefield these rings are today in collecting, The most beneficial advice an opinions , still are from people, who are NOT qualified to make ANY final decision at present, but Mr Boyle to have the guaranteed final word above anyone else.... (stated before many times to protect the innocent trusting few who want one and have the jack to do so.)

Mistakes are made frequently here by many who use books beside them when giving opinions,(I do not, as I go by experience , and use no periodicals to do so) and even books are not totally correct either.( not just on the ring subject)

We also are many times shown things with no information on who has this, or had it, where this was located etc.., SO... for me, I again advise that if enough positive comments are prevelant after the thread has run its course , It still is only a barometer to gage whether it warrants the effort to acquire a COA from Mr. Boyle, before pouncing .

To purchase , or assess as 100% correct , only on advice given here as such, for a free opinion ,asit were the gospel truth, then resell it with only amateur assessments will certainly shortchange the buyer , and just may get a seller also into hot water that could lead to litigation(or worse) , if purchased and resold, if the trusting buyer ponys up believing the assessment is true , and then are only to find out ... by mr boyle, to be incorrectLY judged....is a BIG OUCH!

In todays world, as opposed to 50 years previously , with faking as a way of life now in our hobby.(and quite sophisticated to boot) NOBODY wants to pay many thousands on the word of an amateur these days any longer who is truly serious about buying a TK ring that is original, nor patronize anyone who is in the business of making and lacing their fakes into the collectors world en masse, or even in small dribbles (to not patronize them through education with factual knowledge behind it ,is the key to stop making faking worth bothering with by those who do it every day now..

Beginner or old time collector,... Nobody should shell out ANY cash for any TK rings , that either were not right from the vets themselves(purchased cheap) , or certified for the tremendous ammount of money asked by sellers today in such a failing economy , and, should ( if prudent) ,or wise for self protections sake ....demand that Don give it a look- see , paid for by the seller, PRIOR to purchase(and also IF provided with a DB COA when offered for sals as part of the sale , should personally give a follow up courtesy call to mr boyle prior to the deals cash exchange ,to check Mr. Boyles records to verify it IS his authentic COA for real, as the COA papers are also now currently being faked(even DN COA's) , with any and ALL rings before laying out even one euro, pound ,dollar paseda, or whatever their monetary sytem their country has.

Then and ONLY then , (I'm sorry to say )should trust be given to any rings be sure the money is really invested in an original to add value to your collection, and not someone elses with the loss of money spent on fakes others will use to add original items with to theirs..at the buyers expense and loss.

I have noticed through watching the threads , many times seemingly well well respected and well intended sellers ,find suckers here, then like magic....just dissappear into the woodwork as soon as they sell a ringer to the trusting buyer, who never forgets the bad experience, and one deal like that can end a collectors desire to mess with collectig TR after.(that is just how many decide to leave the hobby) .

So it should be entertained always by all sellers as part of the deal with these to "prove " the rings first , and BUYERS need to INSIST they get 100% solid proof ,and not just opinions before ALL TK ring purchase as a friendly formality , and if there is a problem with that, by the seller, and the seller refuses to verify the ring on his nickle and not yours , thesharp collector nomatter if new or old in the hobby must walk away from the deal.

BE SURE to insist ALWAYS to follow THIS protocol that TK rings get a COA from the expert ,...before getting too excited about any of them any more by anyone who is not known as a national site dealer with at least 35 years selling in the same local publicly and not a private collector .

When TK rings are suddenly thrown to the forum with no backround pedigree , or any information atall as this one has been. This doesnt protect the buyer or seller, and that is all that is important in any "Proper" negotiation to get all the information known on the piece , and that insisted on as priority before any deal is done , and dont get anxious or in a hurry , as that's where impatience to have urgency before doing the homework , is where the buyers make most mistakes to believe someones word who was told this and that, over DONS assessment, will leave anyone with a 10.00 piece of silver in exchange for substantial chunk of cash best left in your bank account in the first place ,until the real proof has been paid for.

It seems when you pay for something like a COA, it then has more value than without, like anything people give you for free is also many times less respected or appreciated , unless you have paid to own it, ...so, get the COA, if you get the feeling it is really good,... if not ....then pass, and move on to the next deal unless its really cheap (under 100.euros) or don has given his final word.

[PaulMann]

fresh inscription?

Juoneen, "I am not convinced by what I see personally to agree with the opinions so far, as not only do the photos NOT show enough conclusive evidence by the rings own merits from the few photos, but the inscription also is not convincing IMO to the positive."

,,agree 100%
cheers,
Paul

[ferdinandmax]

thank you all for the answer regards sergio

[ferdinandmax]

This ring was found in the former Yugoslavia, bought from an old collector who sold his collection, because heart attack, the ring sold it for 700 euro a friend of mine, who collects material Austrian, with whom I made a change logically for much more, the ring was taken from a partisan during the war, this is history, and many in the know Slovenia, excuse my English as a translator, regards sergio

[Jon Fish]

If I was offered it for 700€ I would have taken the same risk

[JR.]

Original ring and only takes a second to see that.

[Gary Symonds]

ferdinandmax:
The honor rings are originals in my opinion. However, your pictures are pretty bad. The engraving in the first ring looks believable and is real in my opinion. The first ring as poor as your pictures are, in picture #2, it depicts the triangle sig rune which has at the bottom of the triangle, the deep, long die flaw that extends about 80% to the other side of the triangle. ALL original 1940s honor rings have that die flaw. Clearer pictures of the other panels in closeup should show the unique die flaws that should be in the individual panel. Send us some better pictures.

The second honor ring in picture #1, reveals the "craters" in the eye socket that should be in EVERY original 1940s ring, which this is.

Please better pictures.
Gary

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