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    #61
    Sleeve linings

    Originally posted by chrisutter View Post
    Ok John and Peter,
    thank you for this interesting pictures and information.

    Does it mean that all german tailors in the 3R time
    did work in the same way and used the same striped like "pajamas" liner in the sleeves ??

    Sorry Don but I can't say more to the provenance as what I wrote.
    No, not all are striped, but a good majority are. The EM ranks that are the RZM issue style can have a solid light color fabric. The sleeve lining material is special however. It is typically a polished cotton or rayon and is very smooth or slick for allowing the arm and shirt fabric to pass thtough easily. The fabric used in the Otto Schwab tunic does not seem to have those qualities from what I am able to see.

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      #62
      Thank you for posting that Peter.

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        #63
        Originally posted by John Pic View Post
        Thorsten..your just another fake pusher allowed to stay here for whatever reasons and TROLL threads about things you know nothing about but like a monkey in a space capsule you learned the art of button pushing and thats all youre good at..... You're a bore.
        You think so?

        Yeah, and that´s why you keep an eye on my threads and comments.

        Do you know any tailors who might be able to produce really good high end fakes?

        Do you?

        Where do you think they might reside?

        Tell me - educate me - pontificate.

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          #64
          I only have 5 black SS tunics. Only one, a non RZM, privately tailored tunic, has the striped sleeve lining. Others are eith plin black, light brown, blue/gray checkerboard patterned material that is satin woven.

          Bob Hritz
          In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

          Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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            #65
            and

            John Pic: "So far showing it to PJ and buying it from a different source prove absolutely nothing...its also a fact that as long as a delaer isn't burdened with buying they will say nice things to appease possible customers. Good luck keep trying."


            And I would add that if a Dealer bad mouths an item the selling Dealer will call him and howl.

            Opinions on Tunics are best got from Friends who have no nickel in the quarter so to speak, oh and busting your own arse through research and common sense.

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              #66
              And now that we know what you have Bob do you also have an opinion of the tunic in this thread? Or just wanting to share the "just" 5 tunics you have? Enlisted.....Officer?

              I think a definitive answer could be provided by my good friend Donald Abenheim who has owned many I will contact him and see if he will take a look I have a feeling he will agree a high quality trikot lined like an enlisin the ted rank made in the 40s and no tailo.r label.With a beat up name tag to boot.

              In modern times we have Indians and Pretendians the real In dians never trust the pretendians.
              Last edited by John Pic; 06-08-2012, 07:51 PM.

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                #67
                Originally posted by John Pic View Post
                And now that we know what you have Bob do you also have an opinion of the tunic in this thread? Or just wanting to share the "just" 5 tunics you have? Enlisted.....Officer?

                I think a definitive answer could be provided by my good friend Donald Abenheim who has owned many I will contact him and see if he will take a look I have a feeling he will agree a high quality trikot lined like an enlisin the ted rank made in the 40s and no tailo.r label.With a beat up name tag to boot.

                In modern times we have Indians and Pretendians the real In dians never trust the pretendians.
                the same Donald Abenheim who was caught out selling a black officers cap and plays the devils advocate , on other forums under the name frederick
                Last edited by judas; 06-08-2012, 10:15 PM.

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                  #68
                  Can you prove this accusation by citing a thread. I don't know a Frederick pleas direct me to the forum....also Judas do you have anything substantial or an opinion to share or are you just Trolling also as usual no opinion because you haven't. learned a thing in years.

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                    #69
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                    Originally posted by John Pic View Post
                    Can you prove this accusation by citing a thread. I don't know a Frederick pleas direct me to the forum....also Judas do you have anything substantial or an opinion to share or are you just Trolling also as usual no opinion because you haven't. learned a thing in years.
                    now now play nice look up dave kane topics . sure john i have my thoughts but as you just said i have learned nothing so in that case no point giving them is there but ok i will say one thing about the lining is its not uncommon for a ems tunic to be up graded to a officers there for not having the so called stripped sleeves , as for some one saying the pockits are not right well from the photo they are the correct slant . and as you would know in the early years you can see in wearing the black tunic with standard straight pockets , so to say the pockits are not right is just wrong . happy now o thats right i know nothing nothing ant that hogans heroes . bit like the myth that officers tunics never had belt ramps on the side of there tunics , funny some trying to judge the tunic over the size of a guy in a photo well . and as for its made by so and so well i can tell you right now that dont hold over . I find Some ems tunics are far Better made then some private made ones . But then that comes back to ones own view
                    Last edited by judas; 06-08-2012, 11:05 PM.

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                      #70
                      Uh..yeah whatever. So Judas is this an EM tunic upgraded? If so where are the RZM markings and was it a special order concerning the trikot material since most EM except perhaps higher NCOs wore wool....lets hear more of your theories...or is it real just because you feel like a debate? what do you know that is substantial and relates to this thread other than the slant of the lower pockets which by the way I did not address that was "Achtung" you want to type a post directed at him too?
                      Last edited by John Pic; 06-08-2012, 11:50 PM.

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                        #71
                        john i did not say you said that about the pockets but it was brought up they were not right so why did you not pull that up .
                        Last edited by judas; 06-09-2012, 12:14 AM.

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                          #72
                          Judas is the name tag attached by hand or machine?

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by John Pic View Post
                            Uh..yeah whatever. So Judas is this an EM tunic upgraded? If so where are the RZM markings and was it a special order concerning the trikot material since most EM except perhaps higher NCOs wore wool....lets hear more of your theories...or is it real just because you feel like a debate? what do you know that is substantial and relates to this thread other than the slant of the lower pockets which by the way I did not address that was "Achtung" you want to type a post directed at him too?
                            so were is the order saying all officers tunics have to have stripped sleeves were is the order saying a em can not buy private . a debate is this what its not about , o its for the chosen few right, . you asked and said i put nothing, in yet when i point out the pockets are ok after some saying there not , so john ponting that out in what way has nothing to do with the topic . so far this has been put down on o that guys to fat in photo /the pockits are not right yet they are . no rzm yet was a tailor shop order so would not have it any way , you cant tell from the photo what cloth the linng is you need it in hand , all i am saying is this tunic is getting put down not on fact;s my god do you really think you can tell by a photo of a guy that he did not were the tunic , so why did you not point out that the slant pockets are ok i mean you are putting your two cents in to every thing als about it , tell the truth the stamps i was putting down to what you see in the russian ones .. yet you say you have seen fake ones well i have not so i can not remark , and if i am right i do not have my books with me but there is a officers tunic in the beaver book with same cloth . i think ! so dont hold me to that
                            Last edited by judas; 06-09-2012, 12:54 AM.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by judas View Post
                              ..as for some one saying the pockits are not right well from the photo they are the correct slant . and as you would know in the early years you can see in wearing the black tunic with standard straight pockets , so to say the pockits are not right is just wrong .
                              On period tunics buttom pocket flaps are sewed-in, not sewed-on like on this tunic (left).

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by A c h t u n g ! View Post
                                On period tunics buttom pocket flaps are sewed-in, not sewed-on like on this tunic (left).

                                i see so thats what you were looking at thanks ! not the slant
                                Last edited by judas; 06-09-2012, 01:43 AM.

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