Very, very rare allgemeine SS "LAH " Boards!

[JurgenHaack]

I am not saying anyone is wrong. For your sake I hope they are original! If they are, it is a very killer piece to have! I just simply pointed out that they are NCO cyphers on Officer boards and they are being reproduced. The reproductions are very rare and very hard to get so many people don't know they are around in reproduction form.

I will be glad to post pictures of my repops when I get home this evening.

[Valentino]

I am not saying anyone is wrong. For your sake I hope they are original! If they are, it is a very killer piece to have! I just simply pointed out that they are NCO cyphers on Officer boards and they are being reproduced. The reproductions are very rare and very hard to get so many people don't know they are around in reproduction form.

I will be glad to post pictures of my repops when I get home this evening.

In that case you will set new " standards " and a few very known SS collectors here in Forum and a big German dealer can learn... no offense.

[JurgenHaack]

Silver Reproduction First Version LAH Cyphers

First Version LAH Cyphers Reproductions

[Valentino]

Jurgen... I think you must be joking, right? Please compare your LAH cypher and my original piece....I think its enough said, but.... Your is totally different from my original one... Please compare the letters , the whole thing is completly different.....again.. no offense...

[Valentino]

Jurgen.. please compare your cypher with mine original piece.. I did it too and marked the areas wich are totally different. Normally you can say that 100% of your repro looks totally different.

[JurgenHaack]

Bronze Reproduction LAH Cyphers

First off both sets of the cyphers I have posted here are reproductions which cost $75.00 per pair. I bought them from a dealer here in the US and they are made somewhere in Europe.

As you can see the prongs of the reproductions are different from the pair originally posted. Oddly enough the detail on the reproductions seems to be somewhat more defined versus the pair originally posted.

Now I went home and read through "Uniforms, Organization & History of the LAH" by Cook and Bender. Please refer to page 286-287 if you have this book. According to this source "SS-Oberscharfuhrer up to SS-Sturmscharfuhrer the cypher was in silver metal. Officers in all grades wore a cypher in gilt metal and only later were silver metal devices used by Officers of general ranks. When the cyphers were changed in 1939, the metal items in stock possibly were replated in the new bronze coloe or silver for general Officer ranks, so this version may very well be found in all colors."

We know for a fact the second model LAH cypher was 100% silver for NCO'S and bronze for Officers.

No to further muddy the water if you read the bible "Cloth Insignia Of The SS" by Angolia page 163 the cypher in question is "Unauthorized" worn by Sepp but unkown if other Officers wore this cypher.

Once again I am not saying the cyphers posted originally are reproductions or original. I am not trying to prove anyone wrong just adding to the topic which I find very interesting.

[JurgenHaack]

Side by Side

No offense taken. We are here to learn

[Valentino]

Please Jurgen... compare the chypers... you told us in one of your first posts that my cyphers I showed are reproduction made somewhere in europe:

this is a part of your original post:

"The cyphers pictured were and are reproduced in Europe somewhere. I have a pair of silver ones that match perfectly to those pictured and have a few pairs in gold that match up to those pictured. "

So... now please, please compare and it would be great if you can say someting about the sentence you wrote above.
By the way.. I never saw such bad reproductions like the one you showed...

My boards are 100% original, the soldier served in the LAH.

[JurgenHaack]

I am not going to get into a war or words with you. Yes that was my quote. I did not imply or mean yours were reproductions hence the ones I have are and they are reproduced in Europe. Many people are not aware that this model is being reproduced. If you look in the Cook/Bender book the ones pictured look just like the ones I posted. If you look in the Angolia book his example looks like yours.

I repeated several times I was not saying yours were fake so relax nor am I trying to prove anyone wrong. I hope they are real, great for you if they are. I was trying to add to the topic which is what we all come here for and that is to learn. No need for the stupid kiddish remarks of mine is better then yours etc.

[Valentino]

The problem in those cases is that you clearly wrote that mine are reprodutions. You can read in in your first post. Now you saw you never wrote that... and that is not true. Look it is not ok to write things like that if you are not 100% sure. If you do maybe you write bad things over a very nice original or good things about a reproduction. Sometimes collectors ask here before they buy or sell an item... please take a minute and think about that.
Thats all... I dont want to have any problems here and as I told you.. no offense!

[jimt]

lah

Here is a original early pattern LAH cypher , it is the only first pattern I accept as original . made with correct cupal material , notice detail and correct size pins etc etc. I believe there is a 2008 thread on the forum you may want to read concerning these cyphers . also see the "The military advisor" vol. 9 number 1 dated 1997/98 for a very comprehensive article on SS cyphers
jim toncar

[jimt]

lah two

another angle of cypher

[Valentino]

another angle of cypher

Please give us the link to the 2008 thread here in forum and please tell me how you know that the material of the cyphers you show us is cupal.

[jimt]

lah

Please give us the link to the 2008 thread here in forum and please tell me how you know that the material of the cyphers you show us is cupal.

I am sure you can you do a Search on the WAF ? this cypher is brass/ copper and then silvered so call it what you like ?????

[Valentino]

I am sure you can you do a Search on the WAF ? this cypher is brass/ copper and then silvered so call it what you like ?????

You dont answer my question... I want to know why you are sure that the cypher you show us is in cupal, brass? and What do you think is my cypher?