WSS M43 with screen printed trapezoid

[RobertE]

I think most collectors who own SS garments are familiar with this type of material.

[RobertE]

Next is a green one, same as the others shown: Italian scratchy wool, same cardboard as my "acceptable" Dachau type, well made. This one has a mottled type material as well, but is definately not the police type.

[RobertE]

This has a thicker liner material, like a number of these that have been shown.

[RobertE]

....and the same brownish bias tape, albeit a slightly different shade and weave.

[RobertE]

Brown bias tape was used on original M43s, in a number of shades and weaves. Here's two examples from two different M43s that got the thumbs up from the cap crowd.

[kevinpre45]

SS Panzer

Hello
I have a ss panzer hat with printed trap. Indirect vet pic-up. It is made of fine quality badge cloth as used on coller tabs. It has the uncovered bill and HBT lineing.I beleave it to be real,but there is much debate! Wish someone would find period photo!
Kevin

[RobertE]

Please post pictures of it.

[clint-magnum]

those caps are 100% genuine and Dachau made .



a black one:

[Richard P]

I like these a lot...can't wait to see period photos...good luck with that, but it could happen.

Richard

[Chris_Werner]

For what it's worth, (which ain't much), I have seen an original one of these caps with the printed trap. in a huge pile of vet bring backs, attic fresh if you will, back in the early 1970s. It sticks in my mind as it seemed at the time to be out of character with the other hand-embroidered German insignia he had in his trunk. I wish I had stayed in touch with his family. He was a friend of my Dad's and has since passed on.

[drbill]

here's mine

Here's mine, a direct vet pick up at a local show this past weekend. It is spot on compared to the other black ones on this post

[RobertE]

Thanks for posting this cap, and congratulations on picking it up. We have oral history accounts of picking these up directly from veterans, and this new acquisition helps build the body of evidence in their favor.

Was there any detail on the circumstances of capture?

regards, Robert

[drbill]

history

Yes, vet's grandson remembers his grandfather telling of picking it up in a warehouse in a concentration camp, along with other ss items. This was all he got of the items along with a luger holster, fxo clip and luger tool his grandfather captured. He didn't remember grandfather's unit but is going to try and find out for me. Will keep advised.

[90th Light]

Thanks for posting this cap, and congratulations on picking it up. We have oral history accounts of picking these up directly from veterans, and this new acquisition helps build the body of evidence in their favor.

Was there any detail on the circumstances of capture?

regards, Robert

Hello Robert,

good to see you posting again on this one. I know you have hands-on experience of these caps. It would be good to get your thoughts/ findings in regard to the "olive green-brown-grey bias material" found in these M43 caps which is now being discussed on this thread;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=796965

Given that such caps seem to be found regularly from veteran brought back sources, it throws a whole new light on the prejudice against this type of bias material and the rejection by some collectors of M43 caps with this as part of the construction of the cap.

Many thanks and best regards,

Chris

[RobertE]

Hi Chris,

I do not think the discovery of more of these caps from veteran sources has influenced the entrenched anti-printed trap crowd.

Despite direct observations of these being recovered directly from veteran groups from the 1950's through present, and more recently from veteran family members, these caps are not being accepted as original.

The brown bias tape remains the kiss of death. I have posted pictures of other M43s that have been reviewed and approved that have brown and greyish bias tape, but no acknowledgment that these colors are acceptable in the M43's with printed traps. Honestly, I don't really need it.

It took us 70 years to find two photos of the SS printed sleeve eagles in wear and find one actual uniform still sporting one, and I'd expect that it will take a picture for the disbelievers to believe.

Thanks for weighing in - again!

s/f Robert