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    WSS M43 with screen printed trapezoid

    Late war single button Waffen-SS M43 with silk screened insignia.

    It was purchased many years ago direct from an American WW2 veteran who brought the hat home after the war.

    I've seen plenty of single button fieldgrey M43 caps posted in the SS forum over the years. However this is the first time I have eve seen the trapezoid insignia screen printed.

    The only markings on this hat are a very small size stamp located towards the back of the cap. You can barely see it in the one photo.

    I would be interested to know if anyone else has seen this insignia used before?
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        #4
        have seen two hats like your with printed traps,both caps in black.

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          #5
          Originally posted by besslein View Post
          have seen two hats like your with printed traps,both caps in black.
          Interesting to hear the insignia was also screened in black.

          Hopefully some of the other members will post some photos if they also
          have this insignia in their collection for comparison.

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            #6
            Remy, this type M43 has been discussed, and there is speculation for and against them.

            Did you get the cap directly from the veteran, or his estate? Did it come by way of an auction, or was it a direct purchase by you?

            We have not had much in the way of solid provinence on tese caps in past discussions, and it would be helpful in understanding the origins of these unusual M43s if you have a direct line of custody back to the capturing veteran.

            Thanks for posting it! I can post a black one later on.

            s/f Robert

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              #7
              Very interesting thread.

              Worth keeping in mind that we have now proved the existance of the screen printed sleeve eagle in use before May 1945,

              Chris

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                #8
                A friend pointed this item out to me today which is for sale on a Dutch militaria website. I'm posting these two photos for comparisons only since no one else has posted an example of the black wool version of this late war hat.
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                  #9
                  would you mind posting a picture of the bias material under top seam of the front scalops
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                  Give a man an opinion and you feed him for a day,
                  teach a man to use the "search" function on the WAF and you feed him for a lifetime.

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                    #10
                    Remy posted pictures of my hat, but now I have joined the forum and can give some more details. The hat was purchased in 1975 or 76 at an Arizona gun show directly from the U.S. vet. He was a MP stationed in Germany in 1945. He also had quite a few real daggers which another collector bought. I think the hat was $75. The cap has been stored ever since.The lining material is different then any others I have seen. It actually has a green weave to it. The wool is very crude and seems to have wood in it. A tunic collar in this material would be very uncomfortable! [IMG][/IMG]
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                      M43

                      That green weave looks similar to Police material, I'm not saying it's police, the color for the lining and the ear flap loops looks like stock they would use. Dave.

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                        Originally posted by salt*creek View Post
                        Remy posted pictures of my hat, but now I have joined the forum and can give some more details. The hat was purchased in 1975 or 76 at an Arizona gun show directly from the U.S. vet. He was a MP stationed in Germany in 1945. He also had quite a few real daggers which another collector bought. I think the hat was $75. The cap has been stored ever since.The lining material is different then any others I have seen. It actually has a green weave to it. The wool is very crude and seems to have wood in it. A tunic collar in this material would be very uncomfortable! [IMG][/IMG]
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                        Salt*creek,

                        Thanks for joining the forum, and for taking the time to photograph your hat and post the photos. It is also great to have the back story...don't be surprised if you get a number that won't believe your story. It is nothing personal, it usually involves someones personal agenda, whatever it may be.

                        I happen to like the trap and the hat. My opinion plus $5.00 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. Thanks again and don't get discouraged if others don't like your cap....hang in there and keep posting!

                        Thanks,

                        Richard

                        P.S. StugIII is correct...the ear pull down material looks like the Police mottled green summer material.

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                          #13
                          I also like the trap and cap. The coarse wool with wood in it is a good description of late war respun materials. I also see no reason not to believe in printed traps.There is a retired Sargant here in Texas who has or had a black one. It was poohed for years on other forums. I would question the abundance of printed sleeve eagles showing up more than this cap. This trap also shows the fading I like to see on printed insignia. I have a printed cap eagle and have had a couple of sleeve eagles in the past and this looks like the right material. just my opinions but everything used to construct the cap looks right for the time frame of printed insignia usage. I bet if you look at the wool under magnification you will see threads of other colors of material that were spun up in the reconstituted wool. I would not hesitate to buy this hat if i saw it for sale.
                          best regards relicstashr

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                            Here are some features on my black and field grey specimens. First, the black one. It has the same trap as the others, and brownish edge bias which I know some don't like.

                            regards, Robert
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                              The pulldowns are thick material, some form of artificial silk or nylon. The liner is identical to the lining material in my SS Saharina jacket, and in patches on my M44 dot jacket. It is very SS.
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