DEUTSCHLAND Cuff Tittle - real or fake?

[Ben]

A friend of mine owns this Deutschland CT and asked me for my opinion on it.
I have to admit I draw a complete blank when it comes to these items so I thought I would post it here on the forum. Any opinions are welcome.
Thanks in advance!

[Ben]

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[Ben]

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[Ben]

Is there noone that can help my friend with this?


Thanks,
Ben

[Gary Wood]

Ben,

Sorry the cuff title is a fake,

cheers,

Gary

[Ben]

Thank you Gary!

[Bob Hritz]

I would think the non woven polyester material between the lettering would be a dead giveaway.


Bob Hritz

[Ben]

I would think the non woven polyester material between the lettering would be a dead giveaway.


Bob Hritz

Hello Bob,

could you please explain what you mean by that?
The material between the lettering is not made out of polyester but is some sort of paper or cloth material. The CT doesn't light up under blacklight at all.
Please advise.

[Gary Wood]

Ben,
Bob is correct the paper which is a synthetic felted type paper on the back is a big give-away, this is a fairly recent fake as fakes go, in other words original wartime made pieces that are machine embroidered are not embroidered through paper, this is a post WW2 advance in embroidery, period items are either not strengthened on the back or have a gauze type cloth, this has 2 purpose's, one is to add strength to the band and stop the embroidery pulling through the other is to stop the embroidery pulling in on itself making the lettering narrower.

cheers,
Gary

[Ben]

Many thanks Gary.
I understand now. I did the burn test on the backing material and it burned instead of melted. That's why I was surprised when Bob said it was synthetic.
Didn't realize that there shouldn't be any backing material of this type at all.
Many thanks!

[Peter R.]

You did the what test

When I get my hands on a cuff title one day, please don't ask me to try burning it to find out of it was real

[9SSHohenstaufen]

peter, when performing a burn test one doesnt simply hold a lighter up to the cufftitle, you extract a fiber from it and light that.

[Ben]

peter, when performing a burn test one doesnt simply hold a lighter up to the cufftitle, you extract a fiber from it and light that.

The above is the correct way for the so-called burn test. Extracting material from the script backing was quit easy with a pair of tweezers. It's just stupid of me that I didn't know it shouldn't be there in the first place.