Thank you for your explanation.
Actually I am only interested in discussing the item - nothing more and nothing less.
Actually I am only interested in discussing the item - nothing more and nothing less.
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First, thank you for the welcome backs and it has been about two years I think.
In regards to the Allach bird I am working off one photo like everyone else here and I have not handled the piece, between that and the fact that I know Dennis, and I know he know's what he is doing. If there is an issue I am just not seeing it from the photo.
What I know of the market and what I have seen in the market in recent years are several enhanced pieces including a Jester, a Berliner Bar, and a Bar Gruppe, and at least one Schwartz Korp Plakette.
All of these piece came through one dealer and it is the first table I hit at the shows to see what he has come up with each year. I know exactly who he is and I know they are coming from Europe. None!!! of them look like this bird.
Variant colors with Allach are not only possible but are noted and anyone who has handled it will know this. I do not even think I need to run examples, they are just there.
The fact that it is a 111 painted in Robin scheme? I don't know, is it possible? probably. Himmler was the bird man, he even looks like a bird himself.
I like my tits just like any other guy, and looking at one photo and the paint I can tell you that I have not seen this done like this and it is done in a fashion that I would expect to see as far as the style and application. Dennis is aware just as well as I am what the post war paint schemes look like and this one from my desk top is not one of them, and its not the same painter.
For one guy to look at one photo and call that bird as bad is just not realistic in my opinion.
And Robert? Painted in America?. C'mon man, be serious.
Best,
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"The fact that it is a 111 painted in Robin scheme? I don't know, is it possible? probably. Himmler was the bird man, he even looks like a bird himself."
That is not a serious comment.
I made the claim, I backed it up with informative details and links as evidence - and for that I did not need half the amount of words either.
This bird has been messed with in 2011 and is not the real deal - plain and simple.Comment
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Thorsten,Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post"The fact that it is a 111 painted in Robin scheme? I don't know, is it possible? probably. Himmler was the bird man, he even looks like a bird himself."
That is not a serious comment.
I made the claim, I backed it up with informative details and links as evidence - and for that I did not need half the amount of words either.
This bird has been messed with in 2011 and is not the real deal - plain and simple.
You have not backed up anything other than a couple auction links. You know just as well as I do that Himmler favored birds and there are variant colors.
If you had legitimate concerns about market and Allach you could have easily fired a mail, but you come on a forum and start going at this thing off one photo and your Columbo auction links. Dennis Porell has this bird and your using it to try and one up him for an ego trip or whatever grudge you may have, I do not think that will work in your favor in the end.
You can't even spot a repair and do not even own a black light, Wtf??. I don't know who you think your kidding.
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So I can understand this a little more clearly: Why the glob of transparent white on the birds head ? Was this intentional by the painter to replicate a feature of this type of bird, or something else ?Comment
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Welcome back Kris, and you know, WE stand by you (you\WE know who WE are).Comment
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JR,Originally posted by JR. View Post
I believe what you are looking at is glare from the glaze, tough pieces to shoot and can be hard to get around sometimes.
Best,
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Mr. Lindblom,
Discussing the item is a good start.
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"Why the glob of transparent white on the birds head ? Was this intentional by the painter to replicate a feature of this type of bird, or something else ?"
The whole paint job is a mess made by someone in 2011.
It´s just all too obvious: a white Kohlmeise humped up as a colored Rotkehlchen.
An Allach cross-dresser.
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I have been discussing the item and Allach all along, I have said nothing non- factual. You on the other hand are on another path, cant say I know anything on cross dressers so I will have to yield to you on that.Originally posted by Thorsten B. View PostMr. Lindblom,
Discussing the item is a good start.
Later,
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"If you had legitimate concerns about market and Allach you could have easily fired a mail, but you come on a forum and start going at this thing off one photo and your Columbo auction links. Dennis Porell has this bird and your using it to try and one up him for an ego trip or whatever grudge you may have, I do not think that will work in your favor in the end.
You can't even spot a repair and do not even own a black light, Wtf??. I don't know who you think your kidding."
By reading that - as just one example - I just don´t see that the item is in the focus of yours.
And at the end to put cream on that a pseudo-threat - nice try.
Well, that won´t make that bird any better...Comment
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Great to have you back, Kris.
Regards, Wim
Freedom is nor for FreeFreedom is not for FreeComment
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Thank you sir!, feels good to be back. ;o)Originally posted by Wim Vangossum View Post
Thorsten,Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post"If you had legitimate concerns about market and Allach you could have easily fired a mail, but you come on a forum and start going at this thing off one photo and your Columbo auction links. Dennis Porell has this bird and your using it to try and one up him for an ego trip or whatever grudge you may have, I do not think that will work in your favor in the end.
You can't even spot a repair and do not even own a black light, Wtf??. I don't know who you think your kidding."
By reading that - as just one example - I just don´t see that the item is in the focus of yours.
And at the end to put cream on that a pseudo-threat - nice try.
Well, that won´t make that bird any better...
Alright, I will take a step back here for a moment. I personally cant find fault with this bird off one photo, that is me.
Now we are all aware of the issues with market and many of them are not discussed on these forums, that does not mean that neither I or Dennis are not aware of them and monitor market just as heavily as you and maybe more. I watch it constantly.
We know whats going on here and in Europe, I have not discussed this bird with Dennis but I am confident that he has examined it. It would appear to me from the photos to be a nice paint job and I know from experience these things are ALWAYS better in hand. It is in no way consistent with what I have observed on post war embellished or enhanced Allach items that have been observed in the last few years.
The fact that it is a Robin? I can discount that from multiple angles, yes it is unusual but not impossible and I think you should understand that as well.
Best,
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As I already stated more than once:
Allach never made a robin - the faker who did the bad quality paint job on this formerly white Allach great tit was stupid enough not to know that.
That´s all it takes to judge this piece.
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Thorsten,Originally posted by Thorsten B. View PostAs I already stated more than once:
Allach never made a robin - the faker who did the bad quality paint job on this formerly white Allach great tit was stupid enough not to know that.
That´s all it takes to judge this piece.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this and I would not rule out the possibility and there are too many things we do not know in regards to Allach. What we do know and if applied can make this piece contentious but also plausible. So I disagree and I know of no person that is going to call that bird off that photo regardless of experience.
Have to see what new treats show up at the S.O.S.
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