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    SS Kraetzchen on E-Stand

    This is a super rare item, and not much is known. Were these ever RZM labeled as they were used so early? Is there a period photo of this officer style? Typically seen are the rough wool enlisted versions. Any info on these?

    Were there SSVA stamps in 1933?

    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=556189
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    I don't know much about them but it sure looks nice! and does appear to be the one in the Hayes book!

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      What is the earliest SSVA stamp known? 1933 seems early for them to be acting in the contracting capacity.

      There might be some relevant information in this thread...

      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/Foru...9&postcount=42



      The earliest fake VA stamps I have encountered were in the kratzchen field caps that started to appear on the marketplace around the middle to late 80's. In my opinion, they had what appeared to be an altered date with "33" added over another obliterated date. They may well have been original orange linings that were re-worked and then the original VA date was "back-dated" to the correct period for this hat.
      Sincerely,
      Derek

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        Originally posted by Naval Enigma View Post
        What is the earliest SSVA stamp known? 1933 seems early for them to be acting in the contracting capacity.

        There might be some relevant information in this thread...

        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/Foru...9&postcount=42
        Nice research N.E. I have never seen a VA stamp with a fill in date, but there lots I haven't seen. By the description given in your posted link, it would make digging further worthwhile.

        What would distinguish this one a an officer? The references I have all show E.M. personnel wearing this style.

        Richard

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          Kraetzchen means "itchy hat" or something. They are a Reichsheer carryover and made from a rough wool. The Hayes book version is in trikot.

          They had a very short lifespan, just a couple years. This pic (from the WAF) shows one with a 1934 skull.
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            Originally posted by Naval Enigma View Post
            Kraetzchen means "itchy hat" or something. They are a Reichsheer carryover and made from a rough wool. The Hayes book version is in trikot.

            They had a very short lifespan, just a couple years. This pic (from the WAF) shows one with a 1934 skull.
            Got it...thanks!

            I was viewing some of the same pictures as the one from the series you show. Trikot is a more expensive option for base cloth...officers chin cords would be a little less subtle, but easier for collectors to distinguish, but there is no visor for them to rest on.

            "Kraetzchen" even sounds itchy when you try and say it.

            Richard

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              #7
              prior then Reichswehr, imperial take over.

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                #8
                Nice it appears in Hayes' book anyway. I'm surprised at the price given unprovenanced "restored" visors bring so much more. But then again, it is kind of goofy looking.

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                  #9
                  I have never seen this type of VA stamp in anything original. This hat is not for me.

                  Bob Hritz
                  In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                  Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                    Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
                    I have never seen this type of VA stamp in anything original. This hat is not for me.

                    Bob Hritz
                    The wear on the insignia does not match the wear of the cap.

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                      #11
                      Nevere seen an original and still haven't.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                        Nevere seen an original and still haven't.
                        I have seen many but only in my reference books

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                          I know someone say something about this stamps VA
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                            ferdl, could you please show more of that cap and what kind of cap it is?
                            Assume a visor cap.

                            Krätzchen was named as in the 1800 and 1900 was often stuff between the head and the cap that was not hygenic.

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                              #15
                              A flea market and scabies, I guess.

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