Distinguishing SS M40 tunics from Heer ones

[Johnny R]

Johnny-
I saw a "mixed" tunic last year- it looked like a Heer NCO's M43 with 6 buttons, but inside was SS lining (all the way to the hem), lined sleeves and lots of hand finishing.
Size was stamped chest only (96) and clearly marked "OSTI". "OstIndustrie"?

I wonder what the Lipowa and Madjenek made unifroms were marked? SS-BW or with the name of a subcontractor? Frank said that Lipowa started in early 1940 making 4 pocket tunics for the SS.

Some sources mention Ravensbruck filling orders for the Heer and Luftwaffe.

Lastly, does anyone know the whether the maker codes (910, 525, 617 etc) were contractors or perhaps those could have been ghettos or sub camps? Those uniforms tend to be better made than BW and Ra uniforms.

910 is a stamp that also appears in trousers, I am not sure where it was but I suspect it might be a factory outside of the direct camp system for inspection etc.

I know who you are in real life and we have spoken a couple times (but you do not know who I am- evil laugh), if you want to see the tunic I can send it to you to look at on my coin. I think it was done during the War.

[besslein]

a interesting book abaut
Himmler's Jewish tailor: the story of Holocaust survivor by Jacob Frank

[RobertE]

I think the two-angle liner theory (including larger collar, ect) has merit. I inspected my M40 SS and SS M43s; they conform. My army tunics are all three-angle, with the odd size markings as mentioned.

The M40 is factory manufacturer named, if someone wants to try to dig up an army specimen to compare.

This is a significant finding, IMO. Some dealers sitting on a pile of SS tunics may not agree, though I think the discussion includes the obvious fact that SS did wear army tunics. However, it does not appear army wore the SS pattern tunics, based on our inability to produce an example.

regards, Robert

[espenlaub]

It must be normal SS 2392/43 tunic

Stamps and the lining in the skirt areas

[galizien41]

Here is my heavily worn m36 pattern SS tunic. Seems to follow the pattern also.

[NickG]

Yep another 2 angle cut! Pretty compelling evidence! I think the examples shown proof the point, pretty overwhelming so far!
This has to be a trait typical for SS contract M40 tunics ONLY.

The inability to show any WH badged examples following this pattern (non produced here and the sheer lack of WH M40's following this cut in the parrallel thread in the WH section) tells me its a pretty solid theory so far!

Being an owner of a 2 angle M40 SS tunic I can say that I am thrilled to find out about this revelation!
Not mentioned in Beaver's book nor in any other high priced fancy referance book as far as I know!

[kapitein]

Thanks to the research and brilliant observations of member N160 and input and comments of others, I personally believe we have collected enough evidence to make this theory of WSS M40 pattern '2 fold' cut stand. (Next to collar and length differences)

I have found this thread a revelation and truely groundbreaking and would like to thank N160 and all the contributors for this interesting read.

Should this post be pinned ? (Threads of interest category)

Kapitein

[revi]

Galizien41, do you have more pictures of the tunic itself, total outside, date / year stamps if present etc. please?
Thanks,
Seth.

[galizien41]

Sure, here you go. I posted it years ago.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=67716

Galizien41, do you have more pictures of the tunic itself, total outside, date / year stamps if present etc. please?
Thanks,
Seth.

[A c h t u n g !]

Thanks to the research and brilliant observations of member N160 and input and comments of others, I personally believe we have collected enough evidence to make this theory of WSS M40 pattern '2 fold' cut stand. (Next to collar and length differences)

I have found this thread a revelation and truely groundbreaking and would like to thank N160 and all the contributors for this interesting read.

Should this post be pinned ? (Threads of interest category)

Kapitein

Obviously

http://www.military-antiques-stockho...i=170&id=14986

[NickG]

Here's an inside look!
So PvL is already using this thread in his sales pitch!
I'm sure others (dealers) will follow!

[RobertE]

Here's one that meets the two-fold rule, as well as the large collar, and horizontal slit on the bandage pocket.

[RobertE]

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[RobertE]

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[RobertE]

Note also that the short skirt characteristic is present. Sure enough, it is indeed 2 cm shorter than the Army sizing.