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    #61
    There is one crucial difference between Bob's and ferdinandmax's caps.

    Bob's cap shows honest wear and tear all over.

    I still don't understand why the other cap's lining is so shredded.

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      #62
      Originally posted by BenVK View Post
      Actualy, IMO, most Imperial caps and TR caps that were meant to be of a true "crusher" style have no padding around the crown BUT this ones does.
      I'm going to correct myself on this because it's not accurate.

      I said most have no padding. It's probably about 50/50 so ignore my previous statement as it has no bearing on judging the authenticity of this cap.

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        #63
        Originally posted by BenVK View Post
        There is one crucial difference between Bob's and ferdinandmax's caps.

        Bob's cap shows honest wear and tear all over.

        I still don't understand why the other cap's lining is so shredded.
        Shredding happens Ben.....even to III Reich periods caps.
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          #64
          Yes of course it happens Peter. That was never in doubt.

          What is in doubt, at least IMO, is why it happened to the subject cap when the exterior (based on the photos) seems in imaculate condition.

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            #65
            The shredding seems to be failure along the weave ... sometimes seen on kampfbinde discs ... perhaps differences in movement between the fabric and that to which it's tightly sewn ?

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              #66
              Silk

              Originally posted by BenVK View Post
              Yes of course it happens Peter. That was never in doubt.

              What is in doubt, at least IMO, is why it happened to the subject cap when the exterior (based on the photos) seems in imaculate condition.
              I am not sure what the lining material is, but shredding is an inherent problem of silk. If the the hat sat idle and pristine for 65 years and someone put in on their head, a silk lining could shred under that pressure, depending on how it was stored of course. Also, old silk can shred very easily in hand by pulling on it. It can also shred under its own weight, an example being silk Luft and Army 4x4's.

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                #67
                I have to agree with you on this Peter, a forum first!

                Yes, silk or rayon does shred easily and I do like the way the wear is on the stress points like the edges of the buckram pasteboard. That's very hard to replicate.

                However, there are no other details of wear and tear that I can see on this cap at all so far. Look at the stitching holding the sweatband on, perfect! not one area where it's come loose. The feldgrau cloth where it's folded over is in perfect alignment with the edge of the sweatband, wow!
                Plus, personaly, I don't like the buckram, looks of modern manufacture to me. I prefer the buckram in Bob's cap.

                Just my opinion though.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                  I have to agree with you on this Peter, a forum first!
                  Big deal........

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                    #69
                    It is a big deal because you normaly talk rubbish!

                    Honestly, I can't say one way or another about this cap. The stakes are very high I know but without seeing it in hand, I can't comment further.

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                      #70
                      Honestly

                      Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                      Honestly, I can't say one way or another about this cap.

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                        #71
                        Once again Peter, you try and miss- quote me.

                        I actualy said:

                        Honestly, I can't say one way or another about this cap. The stakes are very high I know but without seeing it in hand, I can't comment further.

                        If you honesty think your knowledge is so superior to anyone else's when trying to authenticate items based on photographs posted on this forum, then you are a bigger fool than I ever gave you credit for.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by BenVK View Post
                          Once again Peter, you try and miss- quote me.

                          I actualy said:

                          Honestly, I can't say one way or another about this cap. The stakes are very high I know but without seeing it in hand, I can't comment further.

                          If you honesty think your knowledge is so superior to anyone else's when trying to authenticate items based on photographs posted on this forum, then you are a bigger fool than I ever gave you credit for.
                          You must think my knowledge is so superior Ben, because you keep saying that over and over. It takes very little to put you over the edge Ben. 3 to 4 posts and off you go.....

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                            #73
                            I have to agree with Peter on this too. So often collectors are unaware of the distinctions between age/decay, and wear. Certain components can fall apart while others remain pristine, and that's just sitting there! (UV, humidity, innate characteristics etc. all play a part). I'm still convinced this is an Imperial era re-badged cap...

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                              #74
                              Ignoring Manzie for a while, what bliss!

                              Have a look at this cap posted here on the Imperial forum.

                              In my experience it's rare to see an Imperial cap with a black wool band. More often seen is a black velvet banded cap with red or crimson piping. Don't ask me why it's more common, I have no idea.

                              As a result, many so called velvet banded and piped hats I've seen are actualy Imperial caps. I've rarely seen black wool banded caps but they did exist.

                              This photo is of one example. Sorry to say, no interior photo was posted.
                              Yes, the crown is typical Imperial style but in the wrong hands, could soon be made out to be an SS cap.

                              Being interested in piped SS regalia means and demands focus and reserach which I believe I have and have shown over the years on this forum. Whether anyone else thinks I am worthy is of no importance to me but it does really get under my skin that Manzie always pops up whenever I post something only to try and undermine me and without any basis in fact.
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                                #75
                                An Imperial visor with the same coloring as the one that started the thread would be correct for a WWI Veterinarian, these have both velvet but more often wool bands

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