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    OK guys, someone has probably already seen this image of 3 officers from Auschwitz Concentration Camp.
    Pictured are Karl Hoecker (right) with Richard Baer and Rudolf Hoess.
    These images are from a NEW YORKER Article.
    Here is the link for anyone that wants to look at it.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/2008...?xrail#slide=1

    Now, these guys are not Waffen SS, they are Totenkopfverbande, correct?? Or are they HSSPF or RSHA? I get a little confused about unit responsibilities as they changed over the course of the years during the war. Just read a book called EYEWITNESS AUSCHWITZ by Filip Muller and I was looking for pictures of a Hauptscharfuhrer Moll & I came across this link.

    My main question though is, what is the badge to the left as we are looking at the photograph?? An SS Proficiency Badge???
    Thanx,
    Tim
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    Last edited by TP Alexander; 10-14-2011, 04:52 PM. Reason: Add info.

    #2
    I had to pull out the old "Orders, Decorations, Medals and Badges of the Third Reich" and found it on page 76. It's a Party-District Commemorative Badge which was awarded in Saxony, Bavaria etc. There are two types with the years 1923 and 1925 and are identical in design. According the the book, the "missing year" is 1924 when Hitler was in prison for the failed November 1923 Putsch. Instituted in 1933.

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      #3
      I've got that book and found it. Thanx.
      That badge has an enamel swaz. the size of a DKIG/S and is in enamel!
      Funny thing though. It doesn't appear that he is wearing an ehrenwinkel, the Old Comrades chevron & if he was awarded that badge, you would think that he was a Party Member by 1925!
      Now all I have to do is figure out the hierarchy that these clowns were operating under.
      Last edited by TP Alexander; 10-14-2011, 05:42 PM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by TP Alexander View Post
        It doesn't appear that he is wearing an ehrenwinkel, the Old Comrades chevron.
        At that angle you cant see the area where the chevron sits - so impossible to say he dont waer one.

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          #5
          Must have received an Ehrenwinkel, no doubt.

          Since you try to find out more about Moll be sure he was a hell of a clown.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Thorsten B. View Post
            Must have received an Ehrenwinkel, no doubt.

            Since you try to find out more about Moll be sure he was a hell of a clown.
            Actually I was using an American idiom in a disrespectful manner towards a person who was an egomaniacal murdering son-of-a-bitch who got off easy when he was hung in 1946.

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              #7
              Moll

              I was aware that John Wayne Gacy often performed as a at children's events, but I've studied WWII for many years, and didn't know that SS officers did that. It's nice to know that the officers took time to entertain children. It proves that even bad people have a good side. I also didn't know that death by hanging could be called "getting off easy", but then, to each his own. If you had said, "He was a murdering-son-of-a-bitch who often performed as a jester at children's parties, bring a small moment of happiness and joy to frightened children at a dreadful time", then people wouldn't think you're a hater.

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                #8
                A person who tortured weakened & incapacitated individuals to death and laughed about it, a person who got off throwing live babies into buckets of boiling fat, a person who shot people in the back of the head, whether he is an SS man, an NKVD officer or a member of the Khmer Rouge....when justice catches up with him and gives him a quick hanging or an injection, gets off easy.
                Hauptscharfuhrer Moll was the NCOIC of the gas chambers and crematoria. He enjoyed his work and put to death at least 400,000 men, women & children. Let me repeat the WOMEN & CHILDREN part for you. He got off easy. John Wayne Gacy got off easy. Moll directly supervised and participated in the killing of women and children. Old people on crutches. Babies in their mother's arms. Real tough guy! A real hero of WW2. Unless you are a neo-nazi, you can't defend these kind of people. If you are a neo-nazi, I have nothing else to say to you.....oh wait, just one thing. GET OFF THIS FORUM! I bet no one wants your kind here.

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                  #9
                  Just for info : Richard Baer WAS a member of the Waffen-SS, he served with the 'Totenkopf' Division winning the EKI. In the Hoecker album you can clearly see his cufftitle and awards. Hoess has plenty of WWI awards and interwar awards but only non-combattant WWII.

                  Ian

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                    #10
                    Its an nice looking badge, does anyone has one in their collection?

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                      #11
                      There is one for sale here in this grouping http://www.hannahsreich.co.uk/shop/v...h=2534&phqu=10

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                        #12
                        Thanks Baldy1939

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                          #13
                          I have only its stick pin:
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                            #14
                            Thats looking great M-E-H-T. Now you need to save up some money and go for the big one.

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                              #15
                              Bingo!

                              In his haste to give his most recent sermon , Professor Alexander didn't realize he was walking into the "trap" that was set for him. The very instant I read his "murdering-son-of-a-bitch" comment, I knew that he wasn't a serious collector, but someone with an agenda, and that it would only be a matter of time before we would all be subjected to some absurd lecture on how we're supposed to think and behave. I decided to just get it over with, and get it out of him right away, thus avoiding the suspense. And quite a convincing sermon it was! Unfortunately for him, any observer would be inclined to ask him why he collects Nazi stuff (assuming he does) and frequents Nazi memorabilia websites, and then rails against forum members who don't show what he deems to be proper reverance. He obviously enjoys reading about brutality, as he is very familiar with all the exact details. On one hand, he reminds us that the guy boiled babies in oil, and then on the other hand, he wants to know if the guy had an SS Proficiency Badge and an ehrenwinkel . Considering his repulsion, maybe Mr. Alexander will tell us why he wants to know about the awards. He can also tell us when his next lecture will be, so we can go to the Political Forum, where it will be safe for awhile. And I say that with all due respect to Mr. Alexander, who shouldn't be treated too harshly on the forum, as I think he's just confused. And that's sad.

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