collar tab opinions

[Frederic H]

Opinions please on this ss collar tab .

Thank you.

[C. Betz]

Tab

Well, to start off; the piping is wrong for that rank. That would kill it for me right there.

Charles Betz

[Oscar]

It was different between 1933 and war time

[Oscar]

In this example Betz have right. This piping start from Untersturmfuhrer.

[Ian Hulley]

Isn't that an officer cadet rank ... SS-Standartenjunker ?

Ian

[C. Betz]

tAB

Hi Ian,
For regular officer candidates: Junker, Standartenjunker, and Standartenoberjunker, ranks were the following: Unterscharfuhrer, Scharfuhrer, Hauptscharfuhrer.

Reserve officer candidates with Sturmann and below utilized the letters RFB after his rank:

SS-Unterscharfuhrer d. Reserve (RFA). Equivelent rank: SS-Unterscharfuhrer.

SS-Oberscharfuhrer d. Reserve (RFA). Equivelent rank: SS-Oberscharfuhrer.

SS-Hauptscharfuhrer d. Reserve (RFA). Equivelent rank: SS-Haupscharfuhurer.

In February 1944, stripes were added to the shoulder starps to identify NCO and Officer candidates. Also, the ranks of Reserve Officer candidates were changed to conform with regular ranks:

SS-Sturmann and below:

Regular rank and (FB)
Reserve Rank and (RFB) to:

SS-Junker
SS-Junker d. Res.......................................SS-Unterscharfuhrer

SS-Standartenjunker
SS-Standartenjunker de. Res...................SS-Scharfuhrer

SS-Standartenoberjunker
SS-Standartenoberjunker d. Res.............SS-Hauptscharfuhrer

Ref: Angolia's Cloth Insignia of the SS, 2nd Edition, 1989, Pages 265-267.


I believe the Reserve Officer Candidate status as (RFA) were denoted administratively by use of those letters and no silver/aluminum piping was worn by these candidates until rank change over in February, 1944.

I do not believe that the tab posted for discussion is an original insignia.

Charles

[Frederic H]

I found a great pic for sale on the forum, in which the following is pictured:
A Panzer SS officer that has 2 pips on his officer rank tabs.
Any comments in regards to my collar tab??


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[Sayle F]

ss tab

Thats an nco and that is pink piping on the tabs.

[C. Betz]

Tab

Agree with Sayle F, that is pink piping on the tabs.

In a previous post on this thread I stated that the piping on the tab up for discussion would be a negative for me. In this aspect I was wrong. Since then, a picture of an SS-Standartenjunker was posted with a piped rank tab of Oberscharfuhrer. I had not seen a tab like this before. Ian was kind enough to fill me in and provide a reference as well. That said, I am still of the opinion that the tab up for discussion is a post war copy. The buckram raises questions for me.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=561928&page=3 see post 32

Here is the reference provided by Ian as to the rank of SS-Standartenjunker:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker_(SS_rank)

Charles Betz

[Ludwig]

Very difficult to determine IMO. Not much to judge from, if the correct material is used and used in the correct way. Rank would be SS-Standartenjunker. But it sure looks good.

[Kurt Meyer]

Very difficult to determine IMO. Not much to judge from, if the correct material is used and used in the correct way. Rank would be SS-Standartenjunker. But it sure looks good.

I agree.

And same as C.Betz this rank did exist.

[Ian Hulley]

I think the Standartenführer is Johannes Mühlenkamp and if so the photo is dated between 20th April and late September 1944.

Ian

[Frederic H]

Thank You Guys for comments in regards to my collar tab

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[Frederic H]

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[espenlaub]

Original mint tab with just added pips to it