Allgemeine SS Pioneer Tabs?

[Bill M]

--I was considering putting these up on the Estand for sale or trade, but I have absolutely no clue as to cloth items so I wanted to see if anyone can help me positively ID these for value, rank, branch and of course - authenticity.
--I had them posted in the SS Cloth forum as I had been informed in the past that they might be SA, but Erich seemed to believe they might be Pioneer tabs.
--They are made of velvet with a heavy cardboard backing with aluminum (?) embellishments. The piping is silver bullion, I believe, and it is worn in some spots. The velvet is in good shape, but it is also worn.
--Any help is appreciated, I have searched past posts for a clue but all of my efforts have panned out.

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[Erich B.]

tabs

Great photo closeups, Bill! I may not have been clear--I meant that these don't appear to be SA Pionier (engineer) tabs, for the reasons given. If they're SS or something else, I don't know, but my specialty is SA and they're not typical for the SA.
Erich

[tinmantis]

I may be crazy but...
I've seen 'coalmining' insignia like that, can't remember where, but maybe that's another lead?
regards
jon

[Bill M]

bump

[Alexander Zöller]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=50457

[Gary Wood]

This is not a SS patch IMO.

Also the link above provided by Alexander shows a tab M.V. asked about (I missed that one) but I would say this is not an SS pioneer tab either, not only that the tab in the post on that link is a rank patch.
cheers,
gary

[panzerzacker]

looks like the pips and pins have been removed once or twice??? I don't know from the pictures, but the prongs seem to be lifted up.

[Bill M]

--The prongs were lifted on the back of the pick and shovel by the guy I got it from, and one pin is broken (but it stays). The others weren't messed with.

--I am contemplating lifting the pin next to it to see if the shovel has an RZM mark on it as Marc's does.

[Bill M]

Bump?