SS Tunics - Kai Winkler

[Dr. Strangelove]

Me thinks

it was this..

[John T]

Yes Dr, I have heard of these deaths, I believe due to alleged systematic starvation, but never I have never read the book so can not say with certainty.

[Ian Hulley]

Having had my interest pricked and taken a quick look round the net it appears that much of this work has since been discredited.

Ian

[Robert H]

Having had my interest pricked and taken a quick look round the net it appears that much of this work has since been discredited.

Ian

[Ludwig]

Can anyone here mention one dealer who never, ever, I mean NEVER NO ****ING WAY, sell a messed tunic, if he thought he would get along with it? I´m curious...

[kaiserwilhelm2]

This maybe true but then again some are more likely to do so than others.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yes

Can anyone here mention one dealer who never, ever, I mean NEVER NO ****ING WAY, sell a messed tunic, if he thought he would get along with it? I´m curious...

Germanwarbooty.com

Jason Burmeister

Relic Hunter, Gerard Stetzelburger

[Robert H]

Dr. w or w/o Empire?
U are very single sided, vielen Dank

[John T]

Robert, for sure the good Dr was typing fast, for sure he meant to add this site-

http://www.robertcollectibles.com/


oh and yes that would be with Empire

[John T]

qualify that

*Empire as in MegaWorlds

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yikes

Dr. w or w/o Empire?
U are very single sided, vielen Dank

Jason, personally, I never really saw an Empire Tunic.

And of course ROBERT'S WEBSITE Website !! You have many things I like and many are not on your Website

[PaulW]

"Having had my interest pricked and taken a quick look round the net it appears that much of this work has since been discredited.

Ian"
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Hi Ian, I read the book "Other Losses" many years ago and found it a compelling work. As I understand it, it has since been updated in a second edition. I think that the premise of the book is so controversial that it undoubtedly encountered hostility from people of an 'entrenched' historical position. The discrediting you speak of centres around Stephen Ambrose (author of Band of Brothers etc) whose own reputation suffered just prior to and since his death in 2002 (plagiarism etc). The book puts much of the blame for the (undisputed) deaths of (disputed) numbers of German POW's squarely on Eisenhower. Mr Ambrose was Eisenhower's biographer, not only that he hosted his critical conference on Baque's book at the Eisenhower Centre in New Orleans that he founded - hardly unbiased then? It gets much worse. After meeting with James Baque's colleague Dr Ernest Fisher (a retired US Army official historian and WW2 101st Airborne Vet no less) he said this to him:-

"This book destroys my life's work." He had a lot to lose.

To Baques himself he said this after reading the book (Baques initially hoped that Ambrose would write his foreword...):-

"I have now read Other Losses and wish I had not. I have had nightmares every night since I started reading... You have a sensational if appalling story and it can no longer be suppressed, and I suppose (in truth I know) it must be published... I must withdraw my offer to write a Foreword; I just can't do it to Ike. I quarrel with many of your interpretations, [but] I am not arguing with the basic truth of your discovery.... you have the goods on these guys, you have the quotes from those who were present and saw with their own eyes, you have the broad outline of a truth so terrible that I really can't bear it.... You really have made a major historical discovery, the full impact of which neither you nor I nor anyone can fully imagine.... I have written at length about your script to Alice Mayhew, my editor at Simon and Schuster."

Baques even incorporated some of Ambroses suggestions into his manuscript!

See this interesting for and against link:- http://hnn.us/articles/1266.html

This is of crucial interest:-

"He said to Time magazine (October 2, 1989, International edition) that it was "a major historical discovery. We as Americans can't duck the fact that terrible things happened and they happened at the end of a war we fought for decency and democracy and freedom, and they are not excusable." When he was questioned by a student at a lecture in British Columbia why he had not himself discovered the evidence that appeared in Other Losses, he said frankly that he had never thought to look."

Further to Ambroses attacks on Baques and Ambroses own reputation this is interesting:-

"After Eisenhower's death in 1969, Ambrose made repeated claims to have had a unique and extraordinarily close relationship with him over the final five years of the former President's life. In an extensive 1998 interview, for instance, Ambrose stated that he spent "a lot of time with Ike, really a lot, hundreds and hundreds of hours" interviewing Eisenhower on a wide range of subjects, and that he had been with him "on a daily basis for a couple years" before his death "doing interviews and talking about his life."[4] Rives has stated, however, that a number of the interview dates Ambrose cites in his 1970 book, The Supreme Commander, cannot be reconciled with Eisenhower's personal schedule. The former president's diary and telephone show that the pair met only three times, for a total of less than five hours.[13][35] Later, Ambrose was less specific when citing dates of interviews with Eisenhower"

Other contributors to this debate:-

1. Martin Brech – he wrote the book “In Eisenhower's Death Camps: A U.S. Prison Guard's Story”, in which he describes his personal experiences in Germany after the war.

2. Colonel Ernest F. Fisher, 101st Airborne Division, Senior Historian, United States Army – he wrote "Starting in April 1945, the United States Army and the French Army casually annihilated one million [German] men, most of them in American camps . . . Eisenhower's hatred, passed through the lens of a compliant military bureaucracy, produced the horror of death camps unequalled by anything in American history . . . an enormous war crime."

3. General Robert Littlejohn - in a memorandum, he informed Eisenhower that 1,550,000 Germans who were supposed to be receiving U.S. army rations were getting nothing.

4. Colonel James Mason and Colonel Charles Beasley, U.S. Army Medical Corps – they published a paper on the US prison camps in 1950, including the following description : "Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep in mud."

5. Max Huber, head of the International Red Cross – he wrote a letter to the U.S. State Department describing American interference in efforts to save starving Germans. Some months later he received a response, falsely claiming that giving Red Cross food to enemy personnel was forbidden.

6. Jean-Pierre Pradervand, head of the International Red Cross delegations in France - in late 1945 he told Henry W. Dunning (an American Red Cross official) that conditions in the French camps were worse, in many instances, than anything seen in the former Nazi camps.

[Ludwig]

This maybe true but then again some are more likely to do so than others.

That´s true!

[Dr. Strangelove]

Back to good Dealers

Now this is nice offering by Robert !

[Ian Hulley]

Simply gorgeous ... It it were a woman you'd never tire of showering her with gifts and flowers

Is the hersteller tab stamped perchance ?

Ian