SS KZ brown piping visor cap $14,000

[John Pen.]

Greetings,
I came across this cap that sold at auction recently for nearly $14,000.
Unfortunately this is the only photo.

What do you think?

Pardon if this has already been discussed.
...and merry christmas.
Jp

[Jack D.]

This cap would be amazing.
But I'm confused by the velvet looking band. I would understand an upgraded other ranks version with colored piping, but not an officer's.
The piping and other materials look good, though shots of the interior would prove educational.

Jack

[Thorsten B.]

Perfect illusion or perfect piece - where did it came from and who auctioned it?

[turbopanzer]

hi

Hi
Wow my first toughts this look like a real stunning cap ,lets wait to the reel xpert came a round

[John Pen.]

Perfect illusion or perfect piece - where did it came from and who auctioned it?

O.k. here ya go, the link;

http://rockislandauction.com/search/1/aid/51

It looks to me that they were pushin' some bad fakes along with the good stuff.
You should see the GUNS, a Himmler presentation Walther was sold as well.
Cheers,
Jp

Also, here's another interesting one, a diplo visor. What about this? http://rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/51/lid/1715

[John Pen.]

Well............
Since only two were interested in the cap, I thought I'd post the gun I mentioned. It sold for a little more that the cap. Any T.R. gun experts here that may have an opinion? Jp

[NTZ]

I am pretty sure I seen that kz cap before and I am pretty sure Stonemint had it in hand. If it is the one I am thinking (a Pekuro) we both thought it was bad.

[Dr. Strangelove]

nada

I know nothing about Walther Pistols or presentation pieces, but that looks like pure garbage. I used to think these Guys were a respected Auction Site for Guns. No doubt Greed has driven them to pushing all this garbage.

[Thälmannpionier]

Well............
Since only two were interested in the cap, I thought I'd post the gun I mentioned. It sold for a little more that the cap. Any T.R. gun experts here that may have an opinion? Jp

Dem besten Schützen DES SS???? NOT CORRECT GERMAN SPELLING!!!

At least it should read " Dem besten Schützen DER SS!!!

nontheless, interesting craftsmenship they did on that Pistol...
Andreas

[Erich B.]

Someone must have gotten burned pretty badly with this pistol if it sold for $$$$. The poor quality acid etch, blobby Himmler facsimile signature, uneven lettering, etc. are extremely unimpressive. Also, pinning a device to the thin-shelled grips would be asking for disaster even when the pistol was new. Even without the spelling/grammatical error, this would be one to quickly pass by.
Erich

[John Pen.]

Holy Cr*p!!! Some one ruined a perfectly good gun????
Shameful, yet shameless.

Jp

[Hundestaffel]

John:

Many moons ago, "AAG international" (Google them - their still in business in Pennsylvania) used to send out Militaria catalogs (whether they still do or not I have no idea), and in one of their catalogs a 99 % stone mint KL SS Officer was posted, starting bid $ 4,500.00 US at that time ("that time" being the very late 1980's if I remember correctly). From what recall about AAG's description of that KL visor, and from just the one scan you posted here, I think were looking at the exact same piece.

Caveat Emptor.

Big Time Baby.


"Hundestaffel"

[Jeff V]

That gun is pure sh*t. Amazing that anyone would buy it. All they did was wreck a nice Walther.
best wishes,
jeff

[NTZ]

The KZ cap was once on a US dealers site. Not sure if it sold or he realized it was bad but I know he was told it was bad by a few people.

[checkit]

Rock Island Gun Auction is a notorious dumping ground for fake and doctored items. They had SEVERAL repro Allgemeine SS tunics at the same auction.

I guess what I am saying is that you would be nuts to consign a truly good item with them.