Rare SS Jewels + 2 Badges

[Gaspare]

Mjöllnir, the Hiddensee Thors hammer .. That design was used during the war,,but SS related?
The pattern was used for for sure as the Arbeits gau 5 Pomerania [west] for their traditions pin.. They made cap pins, pins, rings etc.

The pin looks old but other than that they could have been made a few years ago. I'd bet if you search enough you'd find those pieces [or real close] for sale somewhere on the net..

It is thought the Gahr firm made some Thor hammers, a couple are even pictured in the NSDAP/SS silversmith book, but no markings on them and they aren't the same pattern style.

I'm not saying they're fake, but where is the SS connection? and where is the proof of age or provenance?

[Michael Fay]

some thoughts

Hello Carsten,
let me comment on each item:
first item: as Gaspare said, are they SS related?
I do not know. indeed they are readily identified as Thor's hammer (the Mauler in English)as Gaspare also said...but such things would have been made pre-TR ,during TR and after TR in all Scandi/germanic nations, and England and Scotland, and nowadays in Canada and America
And as Wim says "and you can prove (in) someway or somehow that it is genuine"
that is the thing to try and find : some documentation/photos for "proof"

Actually you may know more about Danish and SS connections than anyone else here on WAF.
I would like to hear more about this if you can say more, or even better, some original articles in Danish on SS activities

Second item: I do not know the significance of that specific day in oktober, but Himmler was already involved with this site (earlier in the same year 1936)
so the date is within the correct timeframe.
The helmet is similar to the known authentic SS "tinny" of the somewhat similar iconography of Heinrich.
My question to you is can you post a better photo of the back? I want to see the image better of what I believe is the nave of the saint associated with the site. One can tell by the columns.

One problem is we can not forget this was where church services were held and was a reasonably famous (and honestly historic)place before SS ever got involved.
So what I am trying to say is a badge like yours could have been made by others without any SS involvement or intent -even though the date is in correct timeframe.
I am not saying I dont think it is SS, just that there is that possibility of non SS historic celebration or Christian celebration.

Third Item:
I dont know pins/badges that well, but am suspicious...it reminds me of other fakes (from the backing) and the runes on the sword are almost too good to be true, if you know what I mean,
But for your sake , I hope I am wrong.---I would like such a bage/pin to be real.
thanks for sharing,
Michael

[Thorsten B.]

OK, I make it short:

Congrads to a very nice and more than complete set of the Hiddensee-Schmuck.
As Gaspare pointed out many different variations from different jewelers - sometimes good quality, sometimes not - were manufactured within the last century, especially since a völkisch interest and movement in science and politics grew which started already after the new Reich (Kaiserreich) was formed and found among the old traditional aristocratic leading families.

These pieces are still made today, look here:

http://www.uhrmachermeister-voss.de/...seeschmuck.htm

Due to their good quality and appearance your pieces were made around 1920-1945.

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Both of your other fine pieces are original.

The piece bearing King Heinrich I. is the official jubilée piece of the city of Quedlinburg.

Not from the SS, not from any church - from the city.


Thank you for showing these gems!

[Carsten135]

rare jewel + badges

hi there guys

Thx to all intrested and all your serius comments round these objects and yes its a bit conterversial subject thoe we are def in the greyarea.

yes i do know alot about the danish SS warriors, some i have meet and talked too meny years ago but ill get back to that subject lateron in this tread.

first ill start at the beginning of this tread and tell some more of my meny years studdy on this combinding of the wiking vs Nazism and will try explain it whit i do know of gatherings from diff sources.
The Hiddensee jewels is indeed SS jewels among german collectors they goes for being ultra rare and very expensive. my jewels are not official purshased but is from private collectors in germany where i have several friends i visit frequendly. You guys might have turn it 180 degrees and see it from another angel thoe these jewel is from start of nazism and trougout is as well and yes they made these copies of the tressure from arround 1920 just after 1 ww and new forces was beginnig to buildup in germany by the nazis, i know they still making them today, and will whit 100% still making them for the next centuries. i looked on the net for officials and find this one at : http://www.huesken.com/shop/de/zeitg...938-53429.html same stile but whit diff maker and whit a diff hanger, not so pretty whitout the gold finnish imo but anyway.. as i said you might have to turn it 180 thoe these jewels was not a part of the SS uniform bec. the uniform regularity was very stricht by the SS ( you couldent go to a bar to have a drink, no dancing in public places etc. ) but was a form of status in the population for SS cult in civil use and where SS was in high value both under and after the war. so if you are gonna look for pic. of these in use you have to get civil pic of SS men, or pic whit the jewel and then recognize them as SS will proberly be th right way, imm not a pic collector so imm in a bit distress to prove my knowledge but hopefully some of you guys might helpout there and ill ask my fellow collectors in germany nexttime i meet them too, perhaps a pic thoe this is stilll a taboo subject in germany whit names and certenly pics of relatives but lets see, you have also the chance to contact the above seller and he might know or say the same as i.
well this is the fysically part but let be allowed to go a bit deeper in this analysis of Hiddensee vs Nazi cult myths which for me is like deepsee diving, you can swimm in the surface like normal playing whit your rubberduck or you can go deep under and maybee see a new speciment well it might be poison and youll easily get misledd or you can studdy it and might get a cure which for me is the descriping this greayarea in terms or further by getting you an eye on the wikings first then drag treads to nazism ideolygi which they whit big eager enhereted, when you see the jewel you see a Thorshammer whit bindings / knots the hammer real name is speld Mjølner on danish wiking langue ( mjoelner, name goes deep from the stummac near wispering ) and is always turning back to thor when it was in use and had stunned the enemy, heres a couple of pics of replicas from real findings arround Denmark

the first pic is mjoelner whitout the Fenriswolfshead and whit the runes MJOELNER printed on it, its the ground hammer whit birth name made by the blacksmeth dworf SINDRI in valhalla, the second pics is whit endless bindings /knots which is the symbol for " life erternal changes " and 3 pic whit the Fenriswolfshead jaws closing arround the hammer, then is the power of the hammer twices as big or dubbleup the power in speak, the Fenriswolf was feard in the danish sagas or myth as fearless, fast and whitout mercy, ( or dont fu... meet this guy ) which fitts pretty well in parts of nazi ideolygi / cult my own grandpar told me some of the sagas like his grandpa did and it proberly goes back alot, but he told me when its was thundering and lightning then go inside bec thor is riding his waggon and swinging his hammer stunning his enemys, actually today its pretty childish but at that time its was both belived and feared among nonbelivers, if you where the symbols you was safe from thors wreath. now this is some ground analysis to you guys then its up to you to see the simularitys or be your own timemashine. well my time is limit now so ill be back later this weekend whit the two badges, by the way i did find in the meantime a tread on this forum who will put a light on the Sa / Ss badge see here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=393472 the q city seal ill be back and for some of you guys ill tell about my first encounter whit a danish SS warrior, which for me still burns my heart and boils my brain whit accets 30 year after my meeting whit this guy actually hes was the trigger for me to get a main intrest in this subject, so stay tuned and cheers to all.
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[Thorsten B.]

Carsten,

I cannot agree regarding your points that the Hiddensee pieces are "SS jewels", "ultra rare" and "very expensive" - I also do not get it why Hüsken´s example should be straight from 1938, there is zero evidence for that description, he even does not know who really the maker is.
And 225 Euros for the piece is not expensive, so what´s up?

[Gaspare]

Unless you have some sort of provenance for your particular pieces they could be from any period. Yours does look old though and really could be from anywhere between 1920's to 1960's.



Please I'd like you to show one piece of documentation of the Hiddensee pattern Thor's hammer relating to the SS in any way.
I've come across a couple rings and they both were RAD related. In fact the only thing 100% I've been able to find on the Hiddensee pattern directly relating to 3rd Reich is the Arbeits gau 5 Pomerania traditions emblem.