Dot44 smock on Herr Weitze's site...

[Infected]

these type of jackets are scarry stuff

but looks nice though

[Tom Castell]

In the book of camouflaged uniforms waffen ss part two



Tom

[David Fettes]

The smock at the Bastone museum is a fake one.

[Fritz]

The smock at the Bastone museum is a fake one.

The cover and tunic look a bit funky too from that pic.

[Gran Sasso]

The smock at the Bastone museum is a fake one.

Was a good one - but they sold it

[David Fettes]

Was a good one - but they sold it

Really? I was under the impression that it was bad. Oh well another thing learned for today.

[Fritz]

Was a good one - but they sold it

Really? I was under the impression that it was bad. Oh well another thing learned for today.

I believe they have replaced it for a fake/repro. The combination of "fake dot smock" and "bastogne" had been mentioned here on the forum a number of times I believe, I have never been there myself though.

I don't mean to do the author wrong, who isn't known to me, still tunic and cover look somewhat strange from that picture.

Anyways, not the topic of that thread.

[clint-magnum]

Was a good one - but they sold it

yes it was a good one .
Another good one is in the museum of La Gleize .
I like the one from Weitze also.

[Gran Sasso]

I believe they have replaced it for a fake/repro.

No - in the 25+ years I have been to Bastogne I have only ever seen one smock, the one pictured in the book.

[Gran Sasso]

I don't mean to do the author wrong, who isn't known to me, still tunic and cover look somewhat strange from that picture.

The author is J. Borsarello, one of the pioneers to collect and study camo uniforms, when noboy else had interest in those. The book is from 1988 - did peapattern fakes exist back then?

[markus]

I just came back from a trip to Hamburg yesterday. Saw the smock in Helmut's shop. Looked o.k. to me, besides the other stuff he's got and which sometimes looks very obvious that it has been fiddled with....

One of the employees confirmed to me that I could give them a stripped tunic for rebadging if I wanted to, so investing in tunics and cloth continous to be a definite "no, no" for me personally. Financial damage can be considerably big in these rarer cloth items.

[Fritz]

The author is J. Borsarello, one of the pioneers to collect and study camo uniforms, when noboy else had interest in those. The book is from 1988 - did peapattern fakes exist back then?

That name is known to me of course, just not the book, I try to avoid 80s books, as you know only a few books are really good on that topic. But then again, maybe the book is very good.

Yes, they made reprints of camo patterns in the 80s already, if dot I can't tell, oak, plane tree and so on they made in the 80s.

However, I remember fake/repro dot stuff to be on the market since very long.

From that bad picture it looks like a janke print to me, what I don't like on the cover is the fully visible clip on the autumn side (which is not impossible but somewhat "unusual").

Cheers

[Fritz]

No - in the 25+ years I have been to Bastogne I have only ever seen one smock, the one pictured in the book.

Ok, then I obviously confuse something here, nevermind.

[Max Wünsche]

Incidently, did you see how much is he asking for the smock?

Just curious...

I just came back from a trip to Hamburg yesterday. Saw the smock in Helmut's shop. Looked o.k. to me, besides the other stuff he's got and which sometimes looks very obvious that it has been fiddled with....

One of the employees confirmed to me that I could give them a stripped tunic for rebadging if I wanted to, so investing in tunics and cloth continous to be a definite "no, no" for me personally. Financial damage can be considerably big in these rarer cloth items.

[bnz. 42]

I just came back from a trip to Hamburg yesterday. Saw the smock in Helmut's shop. Looked o.k. to me, besides the other stuff he's got and which sometimes looks very obvious that it has been fiddled with....

One of the employees confirmed to me that I could give them a stripped tunic for rebadging if I wanted to, so investing in tunics and cloth continous to be a definite "no, no" for me personally. Financial damage can be considerably big in these rarer cloth items.

Of course if you buy a tunic labeled as "untouched" /absolutelly no matter from who/ there is always HUGE risk that you wont get what you paid for it for obvious reasons..

But if you bought a tunic marked as a "restored" and paid a cost of a stripped tunic + insignia - you will NEVER lose one single cent.