SS Allach Kinderfries

[Michael Fay]

While there is a very nice illustration in Herse's book of the Kinderfries, there seems to be no written explanation of the piece in the accompanying text.

I have looked long and hard for any in-depth information pertaining to ceremonial and ideological back ground for such an iconic cultural piece in (TR era) primary source publications.
However , other than Herse's Children's book, I have found nothing.
Likewise in all (non TR era) secondary sources there is nothing on ceremonial and ideological usage.
While Kris has a decent amount of info on his website that no others seem to have on the Kinderfries, still it does not answer the questions I am looking for.

So let me put to the WAF collecting community: Who knows the answers to my questions on ceremonial use or ideological components or even titles of TR era publications that do?
If one is not comfortable sharing publically feel free to privately email me. If you wish to remain anonymous, I will respect this.

This all being said, I suspect there are no answers to be had, as this is usually the case with my interests.

[Michael Fay]

closer detail photo

a closer detail of the name and date on the piece: Haye 28. 2 . 1938

[Michael Fay]

inscription on bottom

Alle guten Wunsche
fur unser Volk,
fur Deine Sippe,
fur Deine Eltern,
fur Dich!
H.Himmler

[Michael Fay]

full illustration by Herse

and for good measure, a decent view of SS man Herse's Zeichen/ illustration.

[Kuifje69]

Dear Michael,

What a great and rare piece

Many thanks for sharing.

Rene

[sgstandard]

Not that rare, actually. G.I. sells those "Buy One - Get One Free".

[David Fettes]

Very nice stuff Michael but I still get the feeling that Kinderfries is what you get in a Mcdonalds Happy Meal.

[Scott A. Hess]

Very nice stuff Michael but I still get the feeling that Kinderfries is what you get in a Mcdonalds Happy Meal.

I thought the exact same thing

NIce pieces!

[Michael Fay]

Not that rare, actually. G.I. sells those "Buy One - Get One Free".

Explain- I dont get it.

[Michael Fay]

Dear Michael,

What a great and rare piece

Many thanks for sharing.

Rene

Thanks Rene,
if you or anyone know the back story on these rare items let me know.

[Capt. R]

The illustrated drawing in the children's book seems to fit in nicely with the obsession of the ss to NOT distribute actual photos of its awards and cultic trappings other than the most common ones like the juellechter.

For example, the totenkopf ring was illustrated in the ss liederbuch and the cover of the famous leitheft but never a photo taken of it that I know of.

Padfield tells a tale in Himmler's biography that Himmler was upset when he saw an Allach ss figurine openly displayed in a storefront window. Not long after that, the town mayor or perhaps the President of the firm was fired- cannot recall from memory. My point is that these items were intended to be secret to the masses thus bonding the elite awardees.

This obsession may explain why no photos of the mysterious ss cask have surfaced, although it would be nice if we even had a period illustration of one to confirm their TR usage, as we do this kinderfries!

I am told that this kinderfries does not appear in the old Allach reference but perhaps it will be better explained in the new 2 volume set.

Another example is shown by Dennis Porrell and the name and date method of labeling it appear identical as Michael's example.

[Capt. R]

and for good measure, a decent view of SS man Herse's Zeichen/ illustration.

One note here: I just checked my copy of this book and this illustration falls on the last page (page 206) in my book and is in black and white only. The candle is not colored as it is shown here. My copy of the book is dated 1943. For others out there with this book, can you please state whether their copy has a B&W or colored illustration of the kinderfries and on what page it appears? Just curious if there were variations in editions of this book or something...

[Michael Fay]

Nordland Bucherei

One note here: I just checked my copy of this book and this illustration falls on the last page (page 206) in my book and is in black and white only. The candle is not colored as it is shown here. My copy of the book is dated 1943. For others out there with this book, can you please state whether their copy has a B&W or colored illustration of the kinderfries and on what page it appears? Just curious if there were variations in editions of this book or something...

Well yeah, there were indeed variations...even copies apparently produced right after the war with pasted over applications of paper over the more overtly dangerous images.

I believe I have 2 different copies but have no idea where the other is .
Don-- I am sure this very fact has been discussed with other's photos on WAF...with me adding my 2 cents and everything.
Also I do believe page 206 is the page I am also showing

In general, Nordland verlag or Nordland Bucherei has produced other books in their series with changes over time on covers, and art.

[Michael Fay]

I prefer the original Deutsch anyday

Very nice stuff Michael but I still get the feeling that Kinderfries is what you get in a Mcdonalds Happy Meal.

I prefer the original term:
Kinder = children
Fries = frieze (archit., and weav.)

Himmler would never have approved of such a anti Bauern Welt Plutokratic Bund as McDonalds. Darre would have demanded their immediate shut down as there is no mystical communion between the Volkischen blut und Seele of the hereditary farmer and his soil in a seelenlos McDonald's multi-death Corporate run agri-business.

[David Fettes]

I prefer the original term:
Kinder = children
Fries = frieze (archit., and weav.)

Himmler would never have approved of such a anti Bauern Welt Plutokratic Bund as McDonalds. Darre would have demanded their immediate shut down as there is no mystical communion between the Volkischen blut und Seele of the hereditary farmer and his soil in a seelenlos McDonald's multi-death Corporate run agri-business.

Wonderful reply Michael, very well thought out. I did hear a rumour however that Himmler was more of a KFC man.