MAX show critique for ss items...

[Mark Edward C]

I guess the found TK SSTV title turned out to be bad....

[DR DOLCH]

Do you think a person can live 80 years and not know not too sell an item to the first person to make an offer and have a whole building full of people who sell the stuff to ask.I don't

[TP Alexander]

ISn't this talk of some sword all a moot point??!! It's gone, it barely, if at all, got seen. Let it go. Get back to what SS stuff was at the show and what was seen and what theprices were and what anyone got. Let's stick with the reality factor. I could care less about some 'magic sword'. If a dragon shows up, I'll worrry about it then.

Quit friggin' fixating!! Let it go!

[JoeW]

The differences of opinion are amusing. In this thread, some people could care less that perhaps Helmut W. low-balled and screwed a vet, but in the HR ring/box thread, Don B. has been taken to task for trying to buy the set at a low-ball price.

[Richard P]

Maybe that old vet had bayonetted Weitze's Uncle in WWII, and he was just trying to make reparations?

[Mech]

Maybe that old vet had bayonetted Weitze's Uncle in WWII, and he was just trying to make reparations?

Nice. Real nice.

[Naval Enigma]

The differences of opinion are amusing. In this thread, some people could care less that perhaps Helmut W. low-balled and screwed a vet, but in the HR ring/box thread, Don B. has been taken to task for trying to buy the set at a low-ball price.

If the vet was not part of some kind of provenance kabuki theater, then his receiving so little for such a valuable sword is troubling and sad at best. I hate to imagine my grandfather being treated the same.

I believe (from reading the threads only) that the issue with Mr. Boyle is that he issued a COA stating the box was fake. If that is true, then would put into question his value as an appraiser.

Sadly it seems collecting is no gentlemanly game but something like "Treasure of the Sierra Madre."

[Dr. Strangelove]

Phunee

Maybe that old vet had bayonetted Weitze's Uncle in WWII, and he was just trying to make reparations?

I like it !

I think it was an LAH Dedicated Officers Sword in Damascus.

[Jeff V]

The differences of opinion are amusing. In this thread, some people could care less that perhaps Helmut W. low-balled and screwed a vet, but in the HR ring/box thread, Don B. has been taken to task for trying to buy the set at a low-ball price.

I feel the difference is that Don said part of the set was fake in order to get the set at a lower price. It would be like Weitze or whoever bought this sword lied and said it was fake in order to get it for $500.00. A big difference IMO.
best wishes,
jeff

[N.C. Wyeth]

I like it !

I think it was an LAH Dedicated Officers Sword in Damascus.

Funny - I thought it was this one again . . .

[N.C. Wyeth]

an internet world that some people like so much and a world of jealousy

I think Robert sums it all up here . . .

[smitty]

Mad Max Show & SS pieces

I did not go to this years Max show. This kind of behavior has been going on for years. I am a son of a WWII veteran and Korea, and I am ashamed at the actions of some of the dealers. I went to the Pomona show in California this year and saw bronze 25 Pab for sale for around $1,100. I had seen it before many times at our local gun show. I did my home work on the WAF and was going to purchase the badge. One of the big guys, who I buy from sometimes bought it ahead of me by seconds, and offered it to me for $3,500. I walked away in amazement. This happens all the time, they are in it for the money. I have stopped buying from the big guys, because they do not need or remember me unless my money is out in large numbers. An elephant does not forget. I also collect SS insignia, which has gone through the roof with the big dealers. As for the vets, they are passing away at an alarming rate each day. They should be given all of are respect, and a fair shake for them and their heirs when dealing with brought back artifacts. I am this close to selling my collection on the WAF, and getting into my other hobbies. That is why I did not go to this years Max. Smitty

[Serge M.]

Are you new to this hobby?

I'm with Brad here...It's what some of 'them' do. The rest is just a 'moral question'.

And 'they' do it as often as possible to little old men, ladies, widows and orphans
No jelousy...just a statement in fact. I been around plenty long to see it done in the old days too.

Here was another one where the poor old lady got the 'treatment'. Poor thing, her deceased husband told her to hold it and it would be valuable one day, she held on to it but then....one day....along came a 'D' ...and Shazam! -she got ...... .
I don't think Weize will make an 'article' about his 'Vet score' -Ya Think?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...7gj6BIdBwuTdkA

It's nothing 'personal' - just a conversation piece of how 'it works' on some of those 'deals'. Just, WHAT IF, it was your grandma or grandpa ? Would you be a upset or say "Well ...that's the way it goes" ?


-wagner-

[Dennis S]

I totally understand that dealers much enjoy a profit. They have expenses associated of running the businesses to include travel , hotels , rent etc.

That said , a dealer especially a big one is deemed by the courts to be an expert and appraiser. He is required to give a somewhat legitimate appraisal on the value of an item before purchase. If an item is worth XX amount he can certainly offer X to the buyer, but if asked of the value he must be truthful. It doesn't mean he can't offer less than the value. Only if he deceives the seller, he is then committing fraud by telling him a low value or stating it is a fake. If the seller previously offers the item for a set price the dealer can buy it without remorse.

Just ask Juno and Pritchard about the General Picketts uniform . I think Pritchard got four years and Juno was sued for 800,000 and lost.

[kammo man]

Any one see the block pattern smock ?