Ss t.stuba kl mauthausen

[pzb14]

Why not give us a more complete story about the tags instead of being ironic?
We all know that EVERYTHING is faked, and all the time with more and more "advanced" methods and stories. The text on the dog tag that is shown in the start, is not logic. However, there where many things, that weren´t logic, during the WW2.
And a collector´s knowledge has nothing to do where in the world he is living. Just because a person is living in Germany or Austria doesn´t mean he has the best knowledge about German militaria. Correct me if I´m wrong!

Not the knowledge in general, but the knowledge when it comes to WW2 relic hunting. If been out there for 4 or 5 years now, and found some nice items. Esp. America is a place where "almost" no WW2 items can be found - or lets say the interesting German ones.

"lets make some tags, overstamp them, dig a hole in the ground, put them in, leave for while, dig them out and presto, wow so real .... "

I agree on that, that this is eastern method - but I have been up there where the dog tags where dug out - its up a little mountain. So who goes up a mountain where nothing else is and dugs in dog tags ??? sry thats not logical.

Besides all your "help" i must say I am sry but you are wrong.

It'S good to be cautios with such items - but these are 100% ok!

Maybe also posting it in the "ID" section will bring help - will open there a thread with new pics.

Cheers Pzb14

[Sergeant 08]

Will later post pics of the hoard, they are 100% ok!

Must say sry but they are original and rare!!!!

If you are sure that the pieces are 100% originals, why do ask for feelings about the items? That is a little bit confusing for other collectors here, I think. If I'm sure about an item, I don't need other opinions.

I think your are right, the "ID"section is a better place for dog tags.

[elle]

Everything finds from Europe (especially east) are copy and fakes. You know song from Black Sabbath - Paranoid, my US friends?

[pzb14]

If you are sure that the pieces are 100% originals, why do ask for feelings about the items? That is a little bit confusing for other collectors here, I think. If I'm sure about an item, I don't need other opinions.

I think your are right, the "ID"section is a better place for dog tags.

Well sometimes, it is nice to hear the own oppinion confirmed. It's the same when experts post their skulls (like you) and already know the answer...

Cheers

[John Pen.]

O.k., to me, you guys are correct. There is alot of stuff burried in Europe.
But, you have to admit that alot is faked and it is hard to tell which is which. Often photos will be staged as well and that is also hard to tell.

You say "paranoid", I say "cautious".
Would you want to pay alot of $$$ for a rare item that some one says that they dug out of the ground, just because they said so? Or would you want more proof?

Happy digging. .....and fakers should be kicked in the nuts when caught.
JMHO,
Jp

No wonder so many fakes are coming out of CZ....... because there is also so much real stuff coming out of the ground. It's difficult to tell what's good. (bad situation, indeed)

http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?...ng=1&vd=1&mm=7
http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?...ng=1&mm=7&vd=1

Jp

[pzb14]

some of mine

[Ludwig]

Did you find a dagger factory?

[John Pen.]

Lucky bastard!

Nothing like that to dig up around here!
Jp

p.s. ....you have to admit that it is hard for some sceptics to believe, as there are many fakers.

[pzb14]

Not the factory but a RZM storage where buttons, straps, dagger parts, some insignia, was stored...

[pzb14]

here some items from 1 time searching

[pzb14]

pandoras chest (not all found by myself but all relic and from friends)

so but now back to the thread

[John Pen.]

pzb14,
Can I come along on your next dig?
Jp

[pzb14]

pzb14,
Can I come along on your next dig?
Jp

yeah why not ? If you pay the flight

[John Pen.]

Cheers!
Jp

[Frontalschaden]

Guess that I am ignorant, but KZL and Waffen-SS??? I don´t like it at all.

At the 22. April 1941 all (!) Inspektion of the concentration camps and all (!) Totenkopf-Wacheinheiten (SS deathheads guard units) were transferred into the Waffen SS by order of the SS Führungshauptamt.


In an order of the SS Führungshauptamt from 16.07.1941 you can read the listet SS Totenkopf units, which were transferred into the Waffen SS:

SS-FHA, KdoAmt d.W SS Abt Ia/Be/Oe, TgbNr. 2825/41 geh. v. 16. Juli 1941

Betr.: Zusammensetzung der Waffen SS

Bezug: SS-FHA, Ia/G/Keu, TgbNr. 1484/41 geh.v. 22.4.41

Anlage:
[....]
77) Inspektion Konzentrationslager Oranienburg
78) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (7 Kompanien) in Sachsenhausen
79) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (4 Kompanien) in Dachau
80) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (4 Kompanien) in Weimar-Buchenwald
81) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (3 Kompanien) in Mauthausen
82) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (4 Kompanien) in Gusen
83) Konzentrationslager mit SS-Totenkopf-Sturmbann (3 Kompanien) in Flossenbürg / Bayr.Ost.
84) Konzentrationslager Neuengamme
85) Frauen-Konzentrationslager Ravensbrück

[...]

To me it's over stamped, but ID discs aren't my area. Would they really have discs to each camp,let alone sub-camp and would there have been 800 guards go through Gussen as their first assignment ?

Ian.

The dogtag mustn`t be a KL guards dogtag. It is from the SS T-Stuba, which is in charge for the military training of the later KL guards.
The SS T-Stuba of an KL have to train volunteers in military basic training (which can send later on to various other Waffen SS units) and they have to guard the KL.
If you found a SS T Stuba dogtag, so it can be from a former guard, but it can also be from a volunteer, that was send after his basic training in the SS T Stuba to SS Div Wiking (as an example) or other SS units.


Best regards, Fronti

P.S.: IMO the dogtag is a good one, but be aware, there are some very dangerous fakes of this Mauthausen dogtag out there..