Interesting find!

[SScollector]

Some of you may remember this rare test strike, (or unfinished), eagle in zinc from my collection. Little is known about it, but recently I just discovered a complete version of this eagle and thought it was really neat. Enjoy!

Chris

[SScollector]

the finished one:

[PMan]

Eagle

Nice, but the eagle is fake. If you use the basic ss forum rule of, we have never seen this before and it is unknown to have shown up on a vet acquired cap, it has to be fake.

[john mack]

Ss

I trust there are other real ss visor skulls and eagles that are undiscovered , this example is really interesting , i am of the opinion that it is an axis made eagle and not german . I say this because of the details it has and the fatness , if that makes any sense ? And i may be very wrong in my view , so please , i would like to know what you guys think on it.

[SScollector]

The problem with the theory that this eagle is fake, is that it was die struck and I also got it from a friend who had it for 20+ years. Why would someone, 20+ years ago, go to the trouble of manufacturing a new set of dies for a fake SS eagle, (costing a fortune), and only make two or three of them? That sounds ridiculous. It even has cones, which would have to have been crimped in a second stamping process with the machine.
That is just highly unlikely to me. It is 100% original, in my opinion, even though it is not provable by vet purchase.

Best, Chris

[SScollector]

John, your inbox is full.

[ApathyL]

It is 100% original, in my opinion, even though it is not provable by vet purchase.

Best, Chris

proving anything by "vet purchase" is by far not the real deal. We all know that some vets had repro stuff too....and made up a story, prove them wrong LOL Im with you on this one.

[SScollector]

...and why the heck would someone choose to use zinc back then? That would have made them far less valuable, as zinc pieces were not very desirable back in those days.

Chris

[Bob Hritz]

Original.

Bob Hritz

[PMan]

...and why the heck would someone choose to use zinc back then? That would have made them far less valuable, as zinc pieces were not very desirable back in those days.

Chris

Hi Chris,
I'm with you on those theories and so is Brad. Right Brad??? Hello Brad

[PMan]

Eagle

Original.

Bob Hritz

Give me a break Bob!!!!!

[PMan]

Eagle

Everyone knows I typically am a "give the benefit of the doubt" person, but this has gone too far. I'll even settle for one ground dug example from anyone in Eastern Europe, I don't care who they are....forget the vet provenance.... no way! Look at eagles head. You have to be joking.

[PMan]

Eagle

The head detail looks ridiculously fake.

[juoneen]

When a collector says its a vet found item, it is usually always right. Unless the guy was in the occupation and bought some of the "demand" made post war copies. You can always tell if you are an experienced collector if an item is really found in the hands of a vet or his kid. Now people claiming to be who they arent, or telling a second hand lie is easy to spot, and avoid, but this is another case of "not buying the story" , and although there is no magic bullet to discern the truth...ill bet not one old timer here cant smell a rat in a deal. Real vet items deals are all very similar in the feeling you get when buying it. Congratulations. (nice item to show production stages) Id say its worth much more than a completed one.How many of these do you ever see for sale?) I think it is up to the collector to say if they buy the item as being original, when its different, one coice left out of one of the opinions above ,was one more ...wich is , or it could be one never seen, newly found, till we see if any others match on the ugly head down the road . But the manufacturers did not all make attractive designs. We dont really know , as If negative i always like to see some viable comparison that matches , but to say look at that head...and think thats the viable magic link to the truth to originality, so i would rather not necessarily say its original, but put it in the possibles bin, cant always just say good or bad...there is that reasonable doubt catagory for future reference, and discovery more proveable. None of us all think the same about things, or opinions to originality, so If nobody can prove it either scientificly or with some other tangible evidence, I cant condemn it, regardless of what i think of its head . Im not saying any of you are right or wrong , just when it cant be proven, and there arent thousands of them around for sale , id like to give it the chance, and i also would like to see, items wrongly asessed, be re-threaded, and corrected stating it was wrongfully condemned, and have those not left wrong on the threads for history, but all made right , or vice versa, if given a positive as original, and later find it also was wrong, those need to be corrected. What do we need a corrections zone.

[Bob Hritz]

Someone can sell me one, or more, at the price of a repro.

Bob Hritz