Printed Flemish unit shield

[NickG]

I got this on Ebay Germany for little money so no risk really
(a $20 gamble) but what is it? (if real )

Advertised as "elite" (SS) but I'm thinking more along the lines of NSKK
or TKS Speer...

Einsatz Regiment 1. Kompanie FLANDERN???

Anybody?

[NickG]

the back...

[Dmv]

That seller has a lot of different printed shields, even the rarest.
and the ones I could compare with (my) originals are scary close, if not impossible to distinguish! Be aware! Ebay seller's patches also don't glow under blacklight.
(I was thinking opening a thread about them)

[willysproject]

It's a fake however...

Kind regards,
Gerd V

[NickG]

That seller has a lot of different printed shields, even the rarest.
and the ones I could compare with (my) originals are scary close, if not impossible to distinguish! Be aware! Ebay seller's patches also don't glow under blacklight.
(I was thinking opening a thread about them)

I agree...its always scary when a bunch appear at the same time from the same seller who can't guaranty anything... and does not list a reserve price...
Who knows maybe its a collection liquidation. At least he did not offer numerous copies of the same thing!

I was more curious about the actual design and its origin?
Assuming its either an original or a clone of an original,
what unit? SS as was advertised, I highly doubt that...
NSKK?

[John T]

--- Ebay seller's patches also don't glow under blacklight.
(I was thinking opening a thread about them)

While not commenting on anything specific, if an off white pure cotton is used in the screening process you will not get a glow with a blacklight and the piece will look to have acquired a nice honest toned look, the blacklight is a great tool at any rate...also there are other things to check...

[NickG]

It's a fake however...

Kind regards,
Gerd V

OK I assumed its a copy...even if it does not black light...
"Its a fake however" based on what?
I paid 16 euros for it so I'm not alarmed, but the question remains:
a fake of an original? or a fake because its a fantasy piece?

If its real or its a copy of a ww2 pattern, what branch?
NSKK? ( I've now linked this thread in the political section of WAF where NSKK is discussed,
at that's my hunch)

[Bob Hritz]

The originals are machine embroidered, in color.

Bob Hritz

[NickG]

The originals are machine embroidered, in color.

Bob Hritz

Thanks for that.
So it is an existing design BUT in a different quality (not printed) but rather embroidered,
but what branch is this unit? Is it Waffen ss ?
and what colors? Perhaps yellow on black using Flemish colors??

Any examples to show? I know that for many embroidered patches also printed ones were produced
so that's not an automatic kiss of death but it makes you wonder for a Company size outfit how many were produced?

Seller does state:
Das Abzeichen ist in einem guten und sammelwürdigen Zustand. (good condition)
UV LIGHT NEGATIVE !!! but in the same sentence he further states: Ich biete dieses Stück als Museeumsanfertigung an, also Reproduktion nach 1945.
__________________________________________________ ________

[Dmv]

Yes in this case it should be machine embroidered, but check his other patches which also exist as printed originals. Check for instance the georgien or Azerbaidjan shields...scary close imo.

Ebay sellers name: ww2militariashop

[coco bandy]

Wow good repro's, but he is selling them as repro so imo a fair dealer

[NickG]

OK I had the answer in my own library...
Littlejohn's Foreign volunteers Volume 2, p.63.
It is indeed NSKK as I suspected and this pattern shield was worn by the staff of the NSKK training school (driving school) at Vilvoorde, Belgium.
Its black and white with a red fox. The red lacking here...
I wonder on which arm it was worn. I presume the right arm as the nationality shield was worn on the left arm (in lieu of the NSKK eagle).

[Askold]

Yeah he actually states those are copies:

also Reproduktion nach 1945.

But those must be one of the best copies of printed shields I ever seen! He does mix in few original printed shields - like Azerbaidscan and POA - if you see, the prices for them are much higher then for the fakes.

[NickG]

Yeah he actually states those are copies:



But those must be one of the best copies of printed shields I ever seen! He does mix in few original printed shields - like Azerbaidscan and POA - if you see, the prices for them are much higher then for the fakes.

Correct... I already mentioned that in post 9.
The entire sentence reads Ich biete dieses Stück als Museeumsanfertigung an, also Reproduktion nach 1945.
translation "offered as a museum copy, so reproduction after 1945".

The seller is not conclusively saying they're fake he's just stating "offered as reproduction" (as opposed to "it is a reproduction" ....)
this because I assume he is not at all sure about it...just playing it safe... and in the same decription he did put the statement "UV negative"....
and on top of that they were listed in the non-repro section... So he's making the buyer decide!
I don't think he really knows and to play it safe he put that statement, so these can't be returned...hence my reasoning to take a gamble...
Probably still repro though...who knows? Well made and no glow...

[-Michael]

I found this information in the Tätigkeitsbericht Nr. 27 der Militärverwaltung für den Monat März 1944, maybe this shield is for the members of the Einsatz-Regiment Fuchs?