SS metal Cap eagle

[JustinG]

Wow,

I purchased this article about 2 years ago. On a different forum, It had received a by the moderating staff and by the majority of the members. I decided to post again to see if there was any new developments or knowledge and to see if this award was still in favor.

From the looks of things, it has it's appeal to some, not to others. I currently have this displayed in my KC display. Since I am not selling but only re-checking, I feel that this is still an award that should remain in this display. Regards all. Thanks for the answers/opinions.

Many regards,
JustinG

[Military]

Justin, could you post a close up of its front and backof the SS eagle please.
Mil

[JustinG]

Sorry? The eagle in the KC display is the eagle I have photographed in the first three pictures.
What else can I show?
Any specific area I should focus the camera/picture on the eagle?

Regards,
JustinG

[carlsson1982]

More pic's won't change anything. It's a..so.. obvious Original, don't worry about it.

[Gary Symonds]

I must admit that the " Wagner-family " has lost much credit due to the zinc 475/42 & 475/43 repro's that took a lot of people by surprise some 20 years ago - including me .

I kept this 475/43 ( never existed ) - notice that the detail may be even better than on some of the zinc originals . Fortunately the pins were all bad - in hindsight ..

Could you please post a pic of the reverse of the 475/43, so that I can see the bad pins? Thanks,

[carlsson1982]

the original is the 475/39, Iam not talking about the '43 modell because that one is fake!

[dhunter93]

More pic's won't change anything. It's a..so.. obvious Original, don't worry about it.

Your opinion is that it is original, in my opinion it is not.. This item was a known fake until it got old enough and out of production, now voila, it is real for some reason..As I said before buy Cupal and sleep easy

[JustinG]

Cupal anything is superbly superior to any zinc piece; of that there is no doubt.
However, is it your opinion that Zinc pieces, due to the large counterfitting that occurs, that these pieces are to be avoided entirely? (Your opinion)
Can you locate a document or a rough time line when you noticed these awards were put out in high circulation? Is there a SS RZM guide that shows specific Maker Marks (catalog) of SS insignia?

I don't have much reference to the SS and such. Seems like you have to have M.D or Esq. Behind your name to have a go at starting to collect SS items now.

I appreciate the responses.

Regards,
JustinG

[dhunter93]

Cupal anything is superbly superior to any zinc piece; of that there is no doubt.
However, is it your opinion that Zinc pieces, due to the large counterfitting that occurs, that these pieces are to be avoided entirely? (Your opinion)
Can you locate a document or a rough time line when you noticed these awards were put out in high circulation? Is there a SS RZM guide that shows specific Maker Marks (catalog) of SS insignia?

I don't have much reference to the SS and such. Seems like you have to have M.D or Esq. Behind your name to have a go at starting to collect SS items now.

I appreciate the responses.

Regards,
JustinG

First off you say they are made of zinc, but most of the "zinc" TK's I have seen are in fact aluminum. It is no longer worth going round and round over these TK's; there are some dealers and collectors on this forum that like every TK they see, well that fine for you if you want to own items that may or may not be real.

I will not accept these items until an unmolested visor shows up wearing this insignia and we all have been around long enough to know thats not going to happen. Lets see a unmolested visor wearing the three pronged insignia (with only the three holes through the board) or that Adler shown above, I think you get the idea. I would say it's next to impossible that not even one unmolested visor survived wearing these controversial insignia, if they are in fact real. So here it is, post your unmolested visor wearing this insignia..

[Winkelman]

Could you please post a pic of the reverse of the 475/43, so that I can see the bad pins? Thanks,

Here you are Matowsky - its reverse with the WRONG type pins , for learning purposes . It's over 20 years old , and was convincing at a time when there was no Internet ( at least not like we profit from now ) ..

And remember that ALL 475/43 's are fake !

[Winkelman]

Same bad pins on a fake 475/42 ( post 5 ) - this would have worked better in 1 thread .. >> http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=1#post3752833

[carlsson1982]

For me material isn't that important, getting a nice original one is.
Since the skulls and eagles are becoming much harder to find nowdays.
(You can also see it on the prices.)

[JustinG]

After a bit of research, I found that the mark 475 was a marker by Ferdinand Wagner.

Wagner produced metal SS cap eagles under direct contract with the SS, which were marked SS 475/39 and SS 475/42, as well as under contract with the RZM, which were marked M1/8 (8 being their RZM manufacturer number).
This information is correct?
So, is this maker a marker to stay away from since several fakes have been made like the above 3 pin reverse above?

Which Maker or markings seem to be the most genuine and have not yet been plagued with doubt about their originality?

Thank you for taking the time to help me.

Regards,
JustinG

[bwanek1]

After a bit of research, I found that the mark 475 was a marker by Ferdinand Wagner.

Wagner produced metal SS cap eagles under direct contract with the SS, which were marked SS 475/39 and SS 475/42, as well as under contract with the RZM, which were marked M1/8 (8 being their RZM manufacturer number).

This information is correct?

I hope so; it sounds like something I may have written!

[JustinG]

I hope so; it sounds like something I may have written!

Yes, This was from you!

Regards,
JustinG