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    #16
    So, Bob, what would be the difference between an uniformed Gestapo and an SD member? That SD wore diamond and Gestapo not?

    BR

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      #17
      I think that's pretty much it, plus the style of shoulder boards. You can add in the twisted barber-pole collar tab piping on the collar tabs in some of the early SD. And remember that both the Gestapo and SD came under Heydrich's RSHA.

      Bob

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        #18
        that second photo definately had runes on the tab somehow sometime,maybe he transferred and the pic retouched?definately runes there.Also the sport shirt runes are the second pattern the first are the reverse black/white runes.But as far as the lone runes not in a circle on the black top?never saw that configuration.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Bobwirtz View Post
          I think that's pretty much it, plus the style of shoulder boards. You can add in the twisted barber-pole collar tab piping on the collar tabs in some of the early SD. And remember that both the Gestapo and SD came under Heydrich's RSHA.

          Bob
          Thanks!

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            #20
            Peter Manzie, I wasn't referring to your photos. It looked as if the runes were removed from the second photo that started this thread. Dexter

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              #21
              Originally posted by dhcoleterracina View Post
              Peter Manzie, I wasn't referring to your photos. It looked as if the runes were removed from the second photo that started this thread. Dexter
              Yes, I thought that is what you probably meant after I responded.

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                #22
                The uniforms worn by the SD and Gestapo are the same. The different styles you sometimes see have only to do with when the uniform was acquired. The one in the first post --which is the field grey version of the black service tunic--went out of production and was replaced by the next style which in its turn was replaced by the next and so on. They pretty much follow the uniform types and service dates of the SS as a whole. As to the boards they follow the same --first on the black tunic one Allgemeine board --on the early earth grey one board--one the fieldgrey Allgemeine boards on both shoulders-- and for a little while they wore the Waffen SS and Heer type boards--and then from 41 or 42 the style like police boards. The boards in the two pics are the last style the difference is that the first pic is of an NCO and the second is of an officer. Neither of them are SIPO. I am also beginning to be of the opinion that the piped SD rautes mean active Gestapo. You can find numerous pics of Grenz Polizei that have the piped raute and some of them are known to have been transfered to the Grenz Polizei after it was taken over by the Gestapo. The gent in the second pic--being a low grade officer--might also have been transfered in and simply changed the patches and boards on his tunic as it is very unlikely he could have afforded to purchase another Officers had to buy their own. I would not even find it totally unbelievable to see police tunics with SD tabs and boards.
                Last edited by relicstashr; 12-27-2009, 01:42 AM. Reason: more info

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by wewelsburg View Post
                  that second photo definately had runes on the tab somehow sometime,maybe he transferred and the pic retouched?definately runes there.
                  Disagree. IMO, picture clearly shows a blank collar patch which is correct for this mans role (see below.)


                  Originally posted by relicstashr View Post
                  ......the difference is that the first pic is of an NCO and the second is of an officer. Neither of them are SIPO.

                  They are both SiPo.

                  The first picture is of Kriminal Oberassistent Otto Krietemeyer, a member of the Gestapo in Dortmund.

                  The second is a picture of SS-Untersturmführer Maximilian Grabner, head of the Gestapo (Politische Abteilung) in KL Auschwitz.
                  Last edited by SiPo; 12-27-2009, 07:15 AM.

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                    #24
                    The second is a picture of SS-Untersturmführer Maximilian Grabner, head of the Gestapo (Politische Abteilung) in KL Auschwitz.
                    Picture also was made in Auschwitz.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by relicstashr View Post
                      The uniforms worn by the SD and Gestapo are the same. The different styles you sometimes see have only to do with when the uniform was acquired. The one in the first post --which is the field grey version of the black service tunic--went out of production and was replaced by the next style which in its turn was replaced by the next and so on. They pretty much follow the uniform types and service dates of the SS as a whole. As to the boards they follow the same --first on the black tunic one Allgemeine board --on the early earth grey one board--one the fieldgrey Allgemeine boards on both shoulders-- and for a little while they wore the Waffen SS and Heer type boards--and then from 41 or 42 the style like police boards. The boards in the two pics are the last style the difference is that the first pic is of an NCO and the second is of an officer. Neither of them are SIPO. I am also beginning to be of the opinion that the piped SD rautes mean active Gestapo. You can find numerous pics of Grenz Polizei that have the piped raute and some of them are known to have been transfered to the Grenz Polizei after it was taken over by the Gestapo. The gent in the second pic--being a low grade officer--might also have been transfered in and simply changed the patches and boards on his tunic as it is very unlikely he could have afforded to purchase another Officers had to buy their own. I would not even find it totally unbelievable to see police tunics with SD tabs and boards.

                      Hello guys

                      Thank you for your kind help. This has been very clarifying I wish you all a Happy New Year

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                        #26
                        This photo, which does not reproduce the clarity of the original, shows a typical "eclectic" mix of insignia often found with the SiPo and SD organisations.
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                          #27
                          Mr Hanson seems to have his collective act together in this subject. It is a very difficult and confusing subject and I can see why people get confused about it. Thank you Mr Hanson for your contribution of your gathered knowledge on this. Awesome that you know who the photographs are of... I'm impressed.

                          Bob

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                            #28
                            Maybe my eyes are playing tricks but I also see some sort of black blotches on the rank side tab also maybe just the photo.Am i crazy or does anyone else see in that second pic darker ss like shadows on his blank tab?Im sure Mr.Hanson is 100% correct but I just see some strange darker shapes in that photo on the tabs.

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