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    #91
    Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
    Ok fine. Let's say a brand new person finds a ground dug 3 prong and video tapes / photos the event. What will that person have to do (within reason) to establish his find and possibly himself as credible?
    Please be specific.
    First and foremost, it would do a LOT to establish credibility if one of these guys was well known among Western collectors or at least was personally known by at least one well-known SS collector, who could vouch for his character.

    Also, it would be important to eliminate the obvious motives behind lying. If the person was a collector who digs as a hobby and keeps all that he finds, there would be far less reason to suspect the person was trying to deceive for personal profit.

    Sadly, as far as I know, the only ones who have made any claims so far regarding having found three-pronged skulls are completely unknown among our circles and, worse, all seem to be those who make a living in whole or in part by selling these items and/or by taking paying customers to find them. I would take one credible source over a dozen profit-driven strangers.

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      #92
      Originally posted by SSgentleman View Post
      it seems that there is a super strong denial for 3 prong assman, but this thread is a proof of existence correct?
      What "proof"?!

      As we KEEP saying, besides a couple photos of a single skull, which certainly looks like it was ground-dug, but also could easily have been faked, there are only unsubstantiated claims by sources whose credibility has not been established.

      If you or anyone else has some more proof, I would LOVE to see it!

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        #93
        Originally posted by SSgentleman View Post
        it seems that there is a super strong denial for 3 prong assman, but this thread is a proof of existence correct? herr ssgentleman is confused here... unless there is a bigger plot behind to stage this whole thing, and market the 3prong assman as a 1000dollar skull currently how much are they selling for?
        Jan,
        That's a good question. If anyone has one, what would they sell if for? Anyone care to respond with a real answer?

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          #94
          Originally posted by bwanek1 View Post
          Just get a metal detector and go for a stroll in the Polish countryside. I hear they're everywhere there!
          no dice !! It is not befitting of a gentleman to hold a metal detector and prowl the country side looking for broken relics, i'll look aweful !! jokes aside, does that mean all the "fake" three prong assman hawking in waf now are coming from there?

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            #95
            The Chinese are faking everything from early American coins to ancient Chinese artifacts. Aged, non-aged, take your pick. They are in collections all over the world.

            http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins...rfeiting-Ring/

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              #96
              Originally posted by bwanek1 View Post
              First and foremost, it would do a LOT to establish credibility if one of these guys was well known among Western collectors or at least was personally known by at least one well-known SS collector, who could vouch for his character.

              Also, it would be important to eliminate the obvious motives behind lying. If the person was a collector who digs as a hobby and keeps all that he finds, there would be far less reason to suspect the person was trying to deceive for personal profit.

              Sadly, as far as I know, the only ones who have made any claims so far regarding having found three-pronged skulls are completely unknown among our circles and, worse, all seem to be those who make a living in whole or in part by selling these items and/or by taking paying customers to find them. I would take one credible source over a dozen profit-driven strangers.
              Brad, That's fine. How about this post. This digger didn't seem motivated by anything. Am I missing something here?
              Peter
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=2884383

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                #97
                Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
                Brad, That's fine. How about this post. This digger didn't seem motivated by anything. Am I missing something here?
                Peter
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?p=2884383
                He is certainly saying some of the things I would want to hear. That is a good start.

                Can anyone substantiate he is what he claims to be and not simply another fraud telling people what they want to hear in order to support his "business?" Does anyone among us know him? Who will vouch for him and state that they know he is who and what he claims to be?

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                  #98
                  Mr manzie....

                  Like you are interested to find the truth about the ss380 /40 skull you have permenantly condemned .

                  I honetly tried in good faith... to educate you about that really is an original several times also? Right?. What formula did you use to judge that i am not credible. Is everybody else always wrong about everything??

                  You say on one hand...you seek the truth, but thru your actions refuse to listen whenthe truth is shown , and trust no one,even with provenance. That skull i posted really was from the vet who liberated the skull i posted at buchenwald .

                  Do you feel you have diety status , and even though you have more experience in some things... the one thing i do know to be 100% true is pushed to the wayside so you can belittle me , and suggest I am wrong, among other suggestions in your snide way...i am just a joke.I am no credible?

                  Heres a challenge for you: prove the SS380/40 maker never made skulls from records, and there never was one at all. Also that there never was a SS 380 maker.

                  In my case specificly I have kindly taken the time , even at my own peril for no personal gain for fame or fortune , tried to help you understand , instead you attack me for sport ...then ...you always make disparaging smart mouth snide suggestions about me , and an original item i do know is original...and you dont even know.

                  You at times mislead the trusting few, who like the nazis to der fuhrer subscibe to your GURUdome,and follow the leader totally even when wrong , and Its sad really. People need to think for themselves, nobody knows it all, certainly not you, or me either, but some of us do know some things. What good does it do for education if you lead everyone to not listed to even consider otherwise.

                  I have no reasons to lie,( I have owned it since the day , and have turned down all offers to buy from the day i found it in the attic)..You would be the last to get it on my list for your unkindness, if i ever did sell.

                  You refuse my trying to help you consistantly, and always abuse me specificly.Im just a joke to you, as you are becoming
                  the joke because you have no open mind when the truth is unknown to you.You refuse to admit it.

                  I dont know anything about the 3 prong skull, but certainly wouldnt doubt it till time proves it either way , but i do know the truth about about the ss 380/40 I OWN being the real deal. And there are tons of fakes, that has never been disputed by me with the same mark, and thru looking at mine, the differences are immensely induspitable, or they would all be the exact same in appearance ..


                  It's that attitude...that makes others with unusual items that are originals seldom seen.... they might share , to refuse to come from the shadows, and make it a truly fantastic forum ,that is truly user friendly or even ...kind and considerate to all...instead ...they stay in the shadows, like you are the "admin " on the ***, and not share anything or participate. They decide quickly they have more important things to do, like live their lives, than participate here.

                  Its a moral responsibility if you truly seek the truth ...for "experts " like you, to have no open mind, instead of bristle when something is different even with provenance,and someone tries to help you see the truth... when you can plainly see it is different from all the usual fakes encountered.

                  There must be a reason ... for saying you seek the truth, then after its presented to you, you turn the blind eye, and care less, and become not only cynical, but downright hostile .Whats that all about? It is not a challenge, its an enlightenment with true provenance.

                  Were you behind the manufacturing of the fake 380/40?? or why do you have no considerations for the truth, is everybody but you a liar??

                  Why would you act that way, as even others stated that: if i got it back in 69...then it was way before the fakes with that number were ever produced as fakes, it has to be an original.

                  I actually never knew till i showed it here ...they even made the fake version.

                  I didnt buy it at a show. I didnt buy it from a dealer. I didnt even pay much for the whole box at all. Maybe a buck or two at the time per item .(before the 600.00 a skull time as they ask for today.And i only got this one.(1)

                  I did have a witness back in 69 who set it up the deal by giving me his phone number with the vet when i got the stuff, as he couldn't get the guy to even show him the SS stuff he told him he had at work .

                  The guy told me he would give me his name etc, but wanted the ss typwriter as a commission , and so when i got the deal, thats what he got for free as agreed. The vet didnt turn down a teenage kid wanting to buy his nazi stuff.

                  But I havent seen mr ruckman since 75. But even if he were here to say so...you'd most likely call him a liar also,from the tone of your hostile attitude i always see you use on others ...but why use it on everyone the same, aren't people different.

                  I have NEVER seen you honestly give anybody a chance on this forum. You have never said, it is possible , or it DOES look different than the fakes...Its just your way or the highway....always turning a blind eye when it contradicts one of your policys across the board ...a close minded attitude, and that isnt any indication you seek any knowledge or truths at all.

                  You have never said you could ever be incorrect at any time even when you really dont know..as i know for fact in the case of that skull i own you are incorrect.

                  Also for your information: addresses can be cloned to be untraceable i know for a fact, and it is possible to shill thru several different cloned addresses, as it is to clone phone numbers with new computer programs in this new computer world . Soon you may find the technology your worst enemy. Who knows. i hope not for your sake.

                  Now show us how nasty you really are ,your closed mindedness, and how you are if you still cant see the forest for the trees.

                  Or ....show us you can consider other skulls you know nothing about ....because i believe if you cant do that when you really dont know , then ..you dont have any heart inside you at all (if after this you are still the same towards me) ,Not even at christmas... or you would not take my coments as hostile, as they are not meant be , but as the truth you seek (supposedly).

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by juoneen View Post
                    Like you are interested to find the truth about the ss380 /40 skull you have permenantly condemned .

                    I honetly tried in good faith... to educate you about that really is an original several times also? Right?. What formula did you use to judge that i am not credible. Is everybody else always wrong about everything??

                    You say on one hand...you seek the truth, but thru your actions refuse to listen whenthe truth is shown , and trust no one,even with provenance. That skull i posted really was from the vet who liberated the skull i posted at buchenwald .

                    Do you feel you have diety status , and even though you have more experience in some things... the one thing i do know to be 100% true is pushed to the wayside so you can belittle me , and suggest I am wrong, among other suggestions in your snide way...i am just a joke.I am no credible?

                    Heres a challenge for you: prove the SS380/40 maker never made skulls from records, and there never was one at all. Also that there never was a SS 380 maker.

                    In my case specificly I have kindly taken the time , even at my own peril for no personal gain for fame or fortune , tried to help you understand , instead you attack me for sport ...then ...you always make disparaging smart mouth snide suggestions about me , and an original item i do know is original...and you dont even know.

                    You at times mislead the trusting few, who like the nazis to der fuhrer subscibe to your GURUdome,and follow the leader totally even when wrong , and Its sad really. People need to think for themselves, nobody knows it all, certainly not you, or me either, but some of us do know some things. What good does it do for education if you lead everyone to not listed to even consider otherwise.

                    I have no reasons to lie,( I have owned it since the day , and have turned down all offers to buy from the day i found it in the attic)..You would be the last to get it on my list for your unkindness, if i ever did sell.

                    You refuse my trying to help you consistantly, and always abuse me specificly.Im just a joke to you, as you are becoming
                    the joke because you have no open mind when the truth is unknown to you.You refuse to admit it.

                    I dont know anything about the 3 prong skull, but certainly wouldnt doubt it till time proves it either way , but i do know the truth about about the ss 380/40 I OWN being the real deal. And there are tons of fakes, that has never been disputed by me with the same mark, and thru looking at mine, the differences are immensely induspitable, or they would all be the exact same in appearance ..


                    It's that attitude...that makes others with unusual items that are originals seldom seen.... they might share , to refuse to come from the shadows, and make it a truly fantastic forum ,that is truly user friendly or even ...kind and considerate to all...instead ...they stay in the shadows, like you are the "admin " on the ***, and not share anything or participate. They decide quickly they have more important things to do, like live their lives, than participate here.

                    Its a moral responsibility if you truly seek the truth ...for "experts " like you, to have no open mind, instead of bristle when something is different even with provenance,and someone tries to help you see the truth... when you can plainly see it is different from all the usual fakes encountered.

                    There must be a reason ... for saying you seek the truth, then after its presented to you, you turn the blind eye, and care less, and become not only cynical, but downright hostile .Whats that all about? It is not a challenge, its an enlightenment with true provenance.

                    Were you behind the manufacturing of the fake 380/40?? or why do you have no considerations for the truth, is everybody but you a liar??

                    Why would you act that way, as even others stated that: if i got it back in 69...then it was way before the fakes with that number were ever produced as fakes, it has to be an original.

                    I actually never knew till i showed it here ...they even made the fake version.

                    I didnt buy it at a show. I didnt buy it from a dealer. I didnt even pay much for the whole box at all. Maybe a buck or two at the time per item .(before the 600.00 a skull time as they ask for today.And i only got this one.(1)

                    I did have a witness back in 69 who set it up the deal by giving me his phone number with the vet when i got the stuff, as he couldn't get the guy to even show him the SS stuff he told him he had at work .

                    The guy told me he would give me his name etc, but wanted the ss typwriter as a commission , and so when i got the deal, thats what he got for free as agreed. The vet didnt turn down a teenage kid wanting to buy his nazi stuff.

                    But I havent seen mr ruckman since 75. But even if he were here to say so...you'd most likely call him a liar also,from the tone of your hostile attitude i always see you use on others ...but why use it on everyone the same, aren't people different.

                    I have NEVER seen you honestly give anybody a chance on this forum. You have never said, it is possible , or it DOES look different than the fakes...Its just your way or the highway....always turning a blind eye when it contradicts one of your policys across the board ...a close minded attitude, and that isnt any indication you seek any knowledge or truths at all.

                    You have never said you could ever be incorrect at any time even when you really dont know..as i know for fact in the case of that skull i own you are incorrect.

                    Also for your information: addresses can be cloned to be untraceable i know for a fact, and it is possible to shill thru several different cloned addresses, as it is to clone phone numbers with new computer programs in this new computer world . Soon you may find the technology your worst enemy. Who knows. i hope not for your sake.

                    Now show us how nasty you really are ,your closed mindedness, and how you are if you still cant see the forest for the trees.

                    Or ....show us you can consider other skulls you know nothing about ....because i believe if you cant do that when you really dont know , then ..you dont have any heart inside you at all (if after this you are still the same towards me) ,Not even at christmas... or you would not take my coments as hostile, as they are not meant be , but as the truth you seek (supposedly).
                    What color is the sky in your world?

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                      #100
                      Oh boy, someone's got FAR too much time on their hands

                      Ian

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                        #101
                        I can see why most have moved on from WAF, this nonsense from new collectors regarding garbage fakes is getting old.. Soon enough they will get their way, all of us will be gone and they can "verify" their three pronged an SS marked TK's all day long..Remember the forth reich has had 65 years of production with no sign of stopping!

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                          #102
                          I think it's time we all stopped, took a deep breath, and took a feelings inventory.




                          I never liked these 3 tabbed skulls. The tabs on the ones I have seen are very blunt and rounded. I don't see how you could attach one to a visor or even a cloth cap without having to rip the hell out of the material. That's why real skulls have 2 pins.

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                            #103
                            achtung minen!

                            man, people are still getting killed by Civil War STuff. Be careful!

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                              #104
                              Originally posted by groucho View Post
                              man, people are still getting killed by Civil War STuff. Be careful!
                              Indeed, it can be very dangerous, you have to be careful and not yank stuff out of the ground like the person did in the video.
                              Not long ago i dug out a pit with multiple mortar rounds, you have to be meticulous and act very slowly.

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