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    I was shown a rather expensive SS document I assumed was fake after comparing the signature to multiple documents in his BDC file (Personalakte).

    Below is my final reply to the collector, something for newer collectors to learn from.

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mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> I suppose if you're happy with your document after seeing the scans I sent of signature examples that's all that matters. Just wanted you to see from your original inquiry what his signature looks like on 40+ documents in his Personalakte during 1935-45 and that is why I feel it is a fake.

    As you wrote, the dealer informed you he knows militaria as he's been selling for 20+ years and the difference in your document's signature compared to my archive copies was due to the officer being tired at the front from combat. Assuming he was ambidextrous, I don't have any period documents to compare with an obvious left hand signature. All those in his file I have he signed with his right hand. That would also probably explain why he misspelled his own name when he signed your document.


    Sincerely

    #2
    Originally posted by Mark C. Yerger View Post
    All those in his file I have he signed with his right hand. That would also probably explain why he misspelled his own name when he signed your document.[/I]

    Sincerely

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      #3
      Oh No!

      Troublemaker !! Mark, that's really funny. If the Dealer has been around so long could he not do a "little" research so he could do a believable job of fakins a signature?

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        #4
        I can't believe people assume a dealer saying "it's real" is good enough to spend money.

        I'd never fake anything, but if I put my energy and archive into creating bad documents I could retire.

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          #5
          A classic Mark!

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            #6
            Sounds like the black panzer officer uniform that came out of Third Reich Depot years ago with a KZ Dachau stencil in which "SS-Bekleidungswerke" was misspelled on both the jacket and the trousers... same stamp. You gotta love it.

            Bob

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              #7
              Bob,

              I remember that set. Every once in a while I go to the TR Depot to see whats being dumped on the market. It is staggering the amount of crap one honest widow can flood the market with.

              Even better is read the letters from adoring sheeple that will only buy from her exclusively because all the other dealers are so scary and mean and salt fakes in with the real stuff.

              I also hear about people that have spent 20 to 30K with Snyder's Treasures and can't believe they've been taken when their eyes are finally opened. That's why those types of dealers exist...sheer philanthropy.

              Richard

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                #8
                I remember an old time collector in the 70s always used to comment about some collector/dealer types with

                "Yesterday I didn't know what an expert was, now I are one"

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                  #9
                  Mark, great story and reply! You can always tell with some unscrupulous dealers that they are lying because their lips are moving!! Mike.

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