SS Cap

[bwanek1]

it is your overinterpretation, sorry

So what are you saying?

Are you saying that we should simply accept the word of absolute strangers with no established credibility making extraordinary claims with no substantiation?

Essentially, that is what you already have said, by stating that the claims of these individuals are--how did you put it?--"steel fact."

[stonemint]

My question is this: Has anyone seen a 3-prong on anything other than an Alteste? Altestes are the only hat I have ever seen them on.

[Ian Hulley]

My question is this: Has anyone seen a 3-prong on anything other than an Alteste? Altestes are the only hat I have ever seen them on.

Originally Posted by John T
I spoke about these a while back with somebody who worked closely with Atwood years ago when he had these made up and put on headgear with the Assmann eagles according to him.

Yep, I wonder why

Ian

[carlsson1982]

personal message send by dhunter:

Oh another smartass I see,and to think I said I believed you about digging up the skull,what an asshole you are.

Thanks dhunter for calling me an "asshole" in a PM. That's shows very good what you are.
Well Yes dear collectors the quote shown here above has been sended by dhunter.

[Ohlau]

personal message send by dhunter:

Quote:
Oh another smartass I see,and to think I said I believed you about digging up the skull,what an asshole you are.
Thanks dhunter for calling me an "asshole" in a PM. That's shows very good what you are.
Well Yes dear collectors the quote shown here above has been sended by dhunter.

Now we know what is "credibility" on this forum Carlsson

Are you saying that we should simply accept the word of absolute strangers with no established credibility making extraordinary claims with no substantiation?

Uff....

I don't know what you should accept. You can accept what do you want.
It's your problem.

I'm saying that I belive in three prongs skull, as item from battlefields recovered by digger in Poland. I saw many fantastic item recovered in Poland and personally have no reason to don't belive in unknown Assmann skull from ex-battlefields. I think that I expressed myself clearly.

As I wrote, more further discussion is going to nowhere.


Regards Mister Bwanek,

Ohlau

[MaxxBrunn1938]

My question is this: Has anyone seen a 3-prong on anything other than an Alteste? Altestes are the only hat I have ever seen them on.

What are the characteristics of the Altestes caps if I may ask? What do they look like?

Joe

[PMan]

What about the eagle

"Originally Posted by stonemint
My question is this: Has anyone seen a 3-prong on anything other than an Alteste? Altestes are the only hat I have ever seen them on."

Oh Yes.....but please remember that directly above that suspect 3 prong skull on the Alteste reproduction visor hat is an "accepted as original" eagle. Let's not forget to mention that please.
Peter

[carlsson1982]

I was just going to tell that, beacuse no-one mentioned it.
The nice Assmann eagle on the cap is original. Iam sure no one would say the opposit (maybe dhunter will). a late war eagle with the late war 3-pronged Assmann skull. It's quite Logic for me. Iam quite curious to see some 'explanations' about it. I think the maker of those hats had a lot of unused 3-pronged skull and eagles and used them on those caps.


(p.s "Alteste" means 'the oldest' in german.)

[PMan]

Eagle

I was just going to tell that, beacuse no-one mentioned it.
The nice Assmann eagle on the cap is original. Iam sure no one would say the opposit (maybe dhunter will). a late war eagle with the late war 3-pronged Assmann skull. It's quite Logic for me. Iam quite curious to see some 'explanations' about it.

Yes, Carlsson, I as well think it is time for someone to explain that phenomenon. I think it safe to say that all the Altestes have both eagle and skulls paired. How is that possible that one is real and the other fake.....or are they both fake....or maybe...both real????

[carlsson1982]

The eagle is 100% "known" original. If the eagle turns out to be a fake, I'll stop collecting SS, but It's so unprobably.
I would be so delighted to see the eagle's back...if It's possible though.

[Bob Hritz]

My question is this: Has anyone seen a 3-prong on anything other than an Alteste? Altestes are the only hat I have ever seen them on.

Hello Chris,

I have seen the three prong skull on one original late-war, Waffen-SS officer hat. I had tried to buy the hat for years. The question is whether the skull was wartime applied or post-war applied. There had been no other skull on the hat and the eagle was a three pin Assmann.

As I said, in my origina post, it is unknown if the hat was an unused hat that was left over and post war badged, or, if the hat had that insignia applied during the war. No one knows byt the person who applied the insignia. There was no story other than it was supposedly brought back by a US soldier. The owner did not buy it from the vet, but from another collector who supposedly bought it from the vet.

The owner is no longer with us and the hat has gone to parts unknown. I keep hoping it will surface on one of the forums.

Bob Hritz

[MaxxBrunn1938]

Ok now to throw everyone one off, I went thru one of my many insignia, cap device boxes and came across these that I picked up with cap close to 35 some odd yrs ago from WW2 Limited when they were around. I forgot I even had these. This is a RZM marked 3 prong skull that I think everyone has been saying is the well know fake, the bottom prong is broken off and in the box still.
So if you want compare this to the ones in discussion. Again this one is a fake as is cap.


Joe

[MaxxBrunn1938]

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[Winkelman]

Yes , that one was bound to pop up sooner or later .

The M9/72 however , is a well documented fake - with completely different features ( apart from indeed 3 flat prongs ) .
It is not the one being discussed here ..

[Winkelman]

Catalogue appr. 1970 ..